Feeding Time

[Delboy]

Poor percy is struggling to rear its ybs at the moment, I think it is very charitable of the pigeon fancy to help raise these young peregrines every year by constantly breeding more ybs to feed them. I hear of so many fanciers now that fail to complete the yb program. I remember we bred 12-18 ybs and had to cull 1 or 2 at the end of the year to make room. No darkies then, just bundles of feathers and they still flew the program.How can we encourage new starts into this sport if we continue to kill it ourselves by making it impossible for novices to complete a daft wee yb program?? Im hearing of terrible yb returns from training, its time to put this to bed!!

[kingbilly 1]

Cancel all young bird racing for 2 years

[PATTY BHOY]

Poor percy is struggling to rear its ybs at the moment, I think it is very charitable of the pigeon fancy to help raise these young peregrines every year by constantly breeding more ybs to feed them. I hear of so many fanciers now that fail to complete the yb program. I remember we bred 12-18 ybs and had to cull 1 or 2 at the end of the year to make room. No darkies then, just bundles of feathers and they still flew the program.How can we encourage new starts into this sport if we continue to kill it ourselves by making it impossible for novices to complete a daft wee yb program?? Im hearing of terrible yb returns from training, its time to put this to bed!!

Correct Delboy.

[philg50]

Aye you are right trying to train my young birds is to much stress for me ,had 20 on darkness down to about 12 most lost round about the village ,basketed for first toss 27 lost 4 and 2 hurt and came in ones or twos until next day ,today basketed 23 again all coming back split up ,where have the days gone when they landed in a batch and maybe 1 or 2 slightly late ,its really pissing me of ,and all this from 10 mile toss .I am seriously thinking of not racing young doos as i am damned if i am breeding 50-60 young doos to end of with 15 tae 20 .

[geordie1234]

I certainly won't be racing ybs the way I did last year...I will train them well bt no to bothered about the racing..wish I never bothered with the darkness either.. I will race them whether it's one two or three races or half each week i'm no sure yet

Edited July 7, 2016 by geordie1234

[jimbo54]

Never raced y/birds for years, never enjoyed it, I found if you raced them it was just a matter of time before you got gutted, I just make sure they get plenty training with our club van

[geordie1234]

Never raced y/birds for years, never enjoyed it, I found if you raced them it was just a matter of time before you got gutted, I just make sure they get plenty training with our club van

They ok as yearlings?

[Novice]

Both reading and speaking to fanciers about races with horrendous losses I hear comments like "that's pigeon racing now" . It's almost as though some fanciers have accepted this as normal. This attitude has to change.

We don't do enough to help ourselves!

[jimbo54]

They ok as yearlings?

 

As long as long as they r well trained as y/birds and raced as yearlings they turn out alright

[sarg]

Poor percy is struggling to rear its ybs at the moment, I think it is very charitable of the pigeon fancy to help raise these young peregrines every year by constantly breeding more ybs to feed them. I hear of so many fanciers now that fail to complete the yb program. I remember we bred 12-18 ybs and had to cull 1 or 2 at the end of the year to make room. No darkies then, just bundles of feathers and they still flew the program.How can we encourage new starts into this sport if we continue to kill it ourselves by making it impossible for novices to complete a daft wee yb program?? Im hearing of terrible yb returns from training, its time to put this to bed!!

 

This is exactly why I haven't started by myself, I've been helping a guy out who used to fly a good pigeon, won a national to boot, but we have been hit every single toss bar 1, for a whole year from as little as 4 miles too 40 miles. The birds have never made a 10 mile toss faster than 3 hours, mostly taking all day or even turning up next day. Its crazy down here now and fewer and fewer people racing because of it. Why would you start down here, how could you afford it is beyond me. I would love to have my own pigeons, but its already putting me off

[Delboy]

This is exactly why I haven't started by myself, I've been helping a guy out who used to fly a good pigeon, won a national to boot, but we have been hit every single toss bar 1, for a whole year from as little as 4 miles too 40 miles. The birds have never made a 10 mile toss faster than 3 hours, mostly taking all day or even turning up next day. Its crazy down here now and fewer and fewer people racing because of it. Why would you start down here, how could you afford it is beyond me. I would love to have my own pigeons, but its already putting me off

 

It can be sorted

[Novice]

It can be sorted

 

Baroness Young in her capacity as Chief Executive of the RSPB proposed that we try taste aversion.

Basically we should fly pigeons which don't taste very nice to predators. Perhaps her proposal should be acted on.

[JohnQuinn]

3 Ybs of mine are entered into competitions and I will train those 3 only. The rest will get 6 races, that's 6 chances It'll be my Doos Percy is lunching on.

 

Open question....How many times will you're Doos be on the menu ??

[Delboy]

Baroness Young in her capacity as Chief Executive of the RSPB proposed that we try taste aversion.

Basically we should fly pigeons which don't taste very nice to predators. Perhaps her proposal should be acted on.

 

Now we are talking

[geordie1234]

3 Ybs of mine are entered into competitions and I will train those 3 only. The rest will get 6 races, that's 6 chances It'll be my Doos Percy is lunching on.

 

Open question....How many times will you're Doos be on the menu ??

My only concern with that is they won't leave the transporter or maybe not clear holding the batch at the race point...bt defo would not train if i could get away with it

[Delboy]

My only concern with that is they won't leave the transporter or maybe not clear holding the batch at the race point...bt defo would not train if i could get away with it

 

I know where you are coming from Geo training is very important to ybs as it sets them up for life, we have to tackle the problem head on.

[JohnQuinn]

My only concern with that is they won't leave the transporter or maybe not clear holding the batch at the race point...bt defo would not train if i could get away with it

 

Dunno tae ye try George, it'll be my first time trying it but firmly believe those here mid September would be the same ones only a LOT Less of them if I train.

[Delboy]

Dunno tae ye try George, it'll be my first time trying it but firmly believe those here mid September would be the same ones only a LOT Less of them if I train.

 

Yer like most doomen John, thinking only of yersel regarding training ybs,which is quite understandable, but what about the pigeon sport being saved. Lets get back to looking at the big picture instead of ones own loft.

[geordie1234]

Dunno tae ye try George, it'll be my first time trying it but firmly believe those here mid September would be the same ones only a LOT Less of them if I train.

The connellys down sount train from 100yrds every night and dae fine...

[Delboy]

The connellys down sount train from 100yrds every night and dae fine...

 

Once again we are getting away from the problem, we should be able to train 100 miles if we want

[moscow master]

I've my 21 later ones shifted they'll be trained everywhere for only one purpose. My racers will get hammered as last year I tried to just give them the odd toss and this year the yearlings dropped like snaw aff a dyke in a thaw so back to basics and what's lefts left but I'll be doing ma bit as per just trying to drum up some support from others as many hands make light work otherwise in here is doomed and that's not being doom and gloom it's a fact as every single person in here's been blootered and have lofts full off doos burst tae fk. I've heard all the wah hoo about windmills mobiles k factor etc etc load a bull the aforementioned can't put claw marks on your birds so how can you blame them imo the bop is the biggest problem then its ourselves bad race controlling clashing etc but the bop is the big one you can hardly train a bird these day without fear of getting blootered this is only my take on it

[Rainman]

Poor percy is struggling to rear its ybs at the moment, I think it is very charitable of the pigeon fancy to help raise these young peregrines every year by constantly breeding more ybs to feed them. I hear of so many fanciers now that fail to complete the yb program. I remember we bred 12-18 ybs and had to cull 1 or 2 at the end of the year to make room. No darkies then, just bundles of feathers and they still flew the program.How can we encourage new starts into this sport if we continue to kill it ourselves by making it impossible for novices to complete a daft wee yb program?? Im hearing of terrible yb returns from training, its time to put this to bed!!

How would you tackle it delboy

[Delboy]

How would you tackle it delboy

 

Im not sure lol

[JohnQuinn]

Yer like most doomen John, thinking only of yersel regarding training ybs,which is quite understandable, but what about the pigeon sport being saved. Lets get back to looking at the big picture instead of ones own loft.

 

A spent good money taking 'trainers' here there and everywhere 2 years ago. I can count on the fingers of one hand how many others took the trouble I did to help out. That leaves me in a position where I can only manage my own team the best I can tae spare them fae attacks.

This like every other thread on this subject and there have been HUNDREDS of these threads and Ppl come on an type a lotta pissh about what they will do to help knowing fine well they widnae put an extra ten bob of petrol in their tank tae take 'trainers' up the road. A can PROVE I done it, not one man can Prove THEY done anything.

 

IMO the threads on this subject should be deleted because they are f'''kin meaningless.

[jimbo54]

Now we are talking

Don't think taste aversion would work, every pigeon in the country would need to be treated by whatever method, and Percy would still have to kill the pigeon before it realised it didnt like the taste not to mention the rest of the batch being scattered to the four winds. I personally don't see any way to stop this apart from the birds of prey having their protected status lifted by the government then we can take action to protect our birds.