Natural

[peter pandy]

Del, Just for you and those who believe in this stress whatever it is, Their is your answer. Hee Haw..LOL

P.S. Keep trying yer swing

[Delboy]

Del, Just for you and those who believe in this stress whatever it is, Their is your answer. Hee Haw..LOL

P.S. Keep trying yer swing

 

Did ye ever think of going into politics ?

Edited November 1, 2016 by Delboy

[andy Burgess]

Andy,

I will get round to percentages of young bred and lost as soon as possible which will entail going through all in the loft and I dont like handling them at this time of year plus when I do a head count it varies between 29-34 for Hens and 25-29 for Cocks with late breds probably sitting out elsewhere and the return of one or two lost in races turning up but I will get there eventually.

This was never a problem in the past as I would spot a stranger immediately however old age has its draw backs with most looking alike all being bred off just a couple of pairs of Stock birds and now have to check ring numbers to find out what's what with the exception of a couple.

For those wishing to stop your birds getting stressed !!. Feed Sunflower seed..

 

 

thanks Peter , i will wait patiently for the results of your findings

[peter pandy]

Just had the dogs out for their last bit of business and my goodness its cold out there, 2c, coldest since 28th Feb.

[andy Burgess]

Just had the dogs out for their last bit of business and my goodness its cold out there, 2c, coldest since 28th Feb.

 

 

it,s cold here too , glad i brought my potted geraniums in at the weekend .

[peter pandy]

it,s cold here too , glad i brought my potted geraniums in at the weekend .

They should be ok wintering outside Andy as I have about 40 Geranium's in my bed [flower]. More concerned about my Begonia's and Dahlia's which are still flowering well.

[andy Burgess]

They should be ok wintering outside Andy as I have about 40 Geranium's in my bed [flower]. More concerned about my Begonia's and Dahlia's which are still flowering well.

 

have found they do fair better in the ground Peter. have lost them in the past when in pots , so will be banging my toes on the pots in the utility room for a few months i guess

[peter pandy]

have found they do fair better in the ground Peter. have lost them in the past when in pots , so will be banging my toes on the pots in the utility room for a few months i guess

Wrap the pots in bubble wrap Andy and they will add a bit of decoration outside at this time of the year. Its like the birds we are too soft on them at times LOL.

[andy Burgess]

Wrap the pots in bubble wrap Andy and they will add a bit of decoration outside at this time of the year. Its like the birds we are too soft on them at times LOL.

 

i may do

[peter pandy]

Reading Walter's White Hen story reminded me just what a graveyard of a race the Gold Cup is as I have only been on it's Open result twice yet found the other 500-600 milers easy. Well maybe easy is the wrong description but I was more successful in the others yonks ago.

Had the Hens out excercising yesterday and with quite a few Late Breds in amongst them they were off touring the country, On their return they were diving about and one went straight into a lamp post, On retrieval it was given a thorough medical and apart from cutting away torn skin and dusting down with medical powder she should be ok for the rigours of racing next year.

On going through every bird in the loft I would say without doubt that my Hens are superior to the Cocks !! So it might be a case of staying on Natural next year making sure I dont make a fanny of myself as I did this year..

Oh by the way I was especially paying attention to finding a Fret on any flights but I was unsuccessful including those hit by the Bassas..

[dal2]

Reading Walter's White Hen story reminded me just what a graveyard of a race the Gold Cup is as I have only been on it's Open result twice yet found the other 500-600 milers easy. Well maybe easy is the wrong description but I was more successful in the others yonks ago.

Had the Hens out excercising yesterday and with quite a few Late Breds in amongst them they were off touring the country, On their return they were diving about and one went straight into a lamp post, On retrieval it was given a thorough medical and apart from cutting away torn skin and dusting down with medical powder she should be ok for the rigours of racing next year.

On going through every bird in the loft I would say without doubt that my Hens are superior to the Cocks !! So it might be a case of staying on Natural next year making sure I dont make a fanny of myself as I did this year..

Oh by the way I was especially paying attention to finding a Fret on any flights but I was unsuccessful including those hit by the Bassas..

I went in on Monday night to have a wee look at a couple of channel cocks that might gan tae a show.......they both had fret marks......unreal eh?

[peter pandy]

I went in on Monday night to have a wee look at a couple of channel cocks that might gan tae a show.......they both had fret marks......unreal eh?

Aye Stevie, So they did not eat in the basket for a couple of days !!. Then again I have already posted that a certain seed stops stress..

[dal2]

Aye Stevie, So they did not eat in the basket for a couple of days !!. Then again I have already posted that a certain seed stops stress..

Maybe. ....yin was a 4yr old cock with 4 ti keys frae the channel the other a 3yr old which is a big disapointment. ....Claremont next day they turned up.

[peter pandy]

Peter , could you add some "weight" to your theory ?? maybe by giving some facts on how many bred , how many raced .how many sent to each race and your returns . do you have a good percentage for racing as yearlings ? . look forward, as ever, to your reply.

 

Andy,

Having went through every bird in the loft and checked them off with my race and breeding records the following is what I have left.

32 youngsters were bred for racing..2 were disposed off, 8 decided they did not appreciate the surroundings and left home leaving 22 to race.

From the 22 none were lost at the First race 60 miles 8 from 8, 2 were lost at the Second race 85 miles 12 from 14, 3 were lost at the Third race 112 miles 18 from 21, none lost at the Fourth race 135 miles 2 from 2 and none from the Last race 1 from 1.

As you can see I have 17 raced from the 22 and that was with no training whatsoever with the moulting cover flights deciding how many I could send each week..

All in all I could say it has been a good Young Bird season returns wise with quality showing for the future..

[andy Burgess]

Andy,

Having went through every bird in the loft and checked them off with my race and breeding records the following is what I have left.

32 youngsters were bred for racing..2 were disposed off, 8 decided they did not appreciate the surroundings and left home leaving 22 to race.

From the 22 none were lost at the First race 60 miles 8 from 8, 2 were lost at the Second race 85 miles 12 from 14, 3 were lost at the Third race 112 miles 18 from 21, none lost at the Fourth race 135 miles 2 from 2 and none from the Last race 1 from 1.

As you can see I have 17 raced from the 22 and that was with no training whatsoever with the moulting cover flights deciding how many I could send each week..

All in all I could say it has been a good Young Bird season returns wise with quality showing for the future..

 

 

Your returns and losses both look fairly good by today,s standards Peter. The feeding looks like it may help ? , maybe ? . I suppose the losses at the loft could be down too breeding and/or predators. It certainly seems Davey,s method of not training has helped too , will you continue with this next season ?

I have had a few fanciers tell me birds with only a few races under the belt as young and yearlings seem to fair well at the distance as they get older ?

[dal2]

What happened to the 16 birds that didny go after 112 miles?

[ALF]

Much the same question as Dal has asked Peter i know the moult stopped you from sending them as you say but how far will you push them out next year?

[peter pandy]

What happened to the 16 birds that didny go after 112 miles?

Cover flights went Steve.. But naebody spotted my mistake and I did not have time to amend it, The Third race birds 21 actually went to the Second race and it was the Second race entries that went to the Third race,, Confusing !! so put it down to an age thing and my Diary errors.

[Delboy]

Cover flights went Steve.. But naebody spotted my mistake and I did not have time to amend it, The Third race birds 21 actually went to the Second race and it was the Second race entries that went to the Third race,, Confusing !! so put it down to an age thing and my Diary errors.

 

I did spot yer inaccuracies Peter but couldny be ersed pulling ye up AGAIN lol

[peter pandy]

From the 17 young birds that were given a little race experience 1 was badly injured and eventually put down and another went its merry way to pastures new, so am left with 15. Plus 18 later breds that I could not catch racing.

At the moment I will Winter 33, 2016 youngsters..16, 2015 Birds all raced out 200-380 miles and 1, 2014 that was badly hawked in her first race this year, She seems to have recovered as I gave her a 60 mile single up from Kelso.

Attempting to establish a team from scratch has been extremely difficult and although you can pay top dollar for bloodstock young birds their is certainly no guarantee they will breed anything with good homing abilities which to me is the main ingredient required.. I have had some really terrific handling and motivated birds this last couple of years but they have not cut the mustard when it comes to racing.

[ALF]

Much the same question as Dal has asked Peter i know the moult stopped you from sending them as you say but how far will you push them out next year?

 

 

From the 17 young birds that were given a little race experience 1 was badly injured and eventually put down and another went its merry way to pastures new, so am left with 15. Plus 18 later breds that I could not catch racing.

At the moment I will Winter 33, 2016 youngsters..16, 2015 Birds all raced out 200-380 miles and 1, 2014 that was badly hawked in her first race this year, She seems to have recovered as I gave her a 60 mile single up from Kelso.

Attempting to establish a team from scratch has been extremely difficult and although you can pay top dollar for bloodstock young birds their is certainly no guarantee they will breed anything with good homing abilities which to me is the main ingredient required.. I have had some really terrific handling and motivated birds this last couple of years but they have not cut the mustard when it comes to racing.

 

That was the reason for me asking the question i did Peter We started fresh in 2014 with yb's at the new place after the fire apart from 4 or 5 broken doos and we have started to race all the doos hard sending them all most weeks as we didnae really have any to try at the national races.

The thing is i think we can be to soft on them at times this year we put them all on darkness so we could get them to the last fed race at 210 mls i would rather take whats left at the end of the old bird and yb seasons that have been well tested that a loft full of doos that have only went 100mls and i have tried the 100mls with yb's myself yes the good ones will still be good ones but we try to give them all the experience we can

 

Alan

[dal2]

Am no quite as harsh as Alf but am a little bit surprised at a season with 50% of ybs left being called a success and no training being hailed as a winner......112 miles?

[peter pandy]

Half our club members had virtually ZERO young birds left after two races and here in Central Scotland 1/3rd of youngsters left is a successful season.

There is a massive difference flying into Southern Scotland as you have nothing facing your birds while we have the Southern Uplands, Lammer Muir Hills then The Pentlands to contend with Stevie.

[peter pandy]

Am no quite as harsh as Alf but am a little bit surprised at a season with 50% of ybs left being called a success and no training being hailed as a winner......112 miles?

Sent just the 1 to 165 miles and was 8th Fed. Now that to me was a massive thrill..

[peter pandy]

Alf, It is my intention to have every Yearling in the loft out to Buckingham 300 miles next year and all the two year old's at a 500 mile race ""not the Gold Cup"".