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[dal2]

they all race this year which are bred in july or later that year

So if you breed a late bred this year after say may you will start it on the road 2018?

[dkj]

So if you breed a late bred this year after say may you will start it on the road 2018?

yes, why not

[dal2]

yes, why not

Naebody said that ye shouldn't but the question is do you have a greater number of latebreds doing the biz compared to the birds you bred in the spring?

[dkj]

Naebody said that ye shouldn't but the question is do you have a greater number of latebreds doing the biz compared to the birds you bred in the spring?

dont no % wise but i have a good number of late breds that win in the snfc, so i keep breeding late breds from my winners after racing,

do you rear of your winners after national racing each year

[dal2]

dont no % wise but i have a good number of late breds that win in the snfc, so i keep breeding late breds from my winners after racing,

do you rear of your winners after national racing each year

No....birds weaned in February ....perched after that until cycle to set for channel

[JohnQuinn]

That wee hen I got fae Reims is a 2014 latebred....July bred.

No training/racing 2014

 

2015 jumped into Wetherby 167mls, slept out then sent tae Fed comeback race fae Otterburn 80mls. Probably Did train her in 2015 but canny say how often/infrequently.

 

2016 NO TRAINING...back tae Wetherby and done ok. Into Kettering 240mls, 2nd bird home. Next planned race was Thirsk the week before the Gold Cup but it was cancelled so I bit the bullet and took 14 doon tae Gala and put them up in 2's which she done ok....then intae the SNFC Gold Cup and finishes 9th Sec 61st Open.

 

Only the 5th race of her life and only 4 times in a basket 2016

 

My Ypres hen was a 2008 latebred, her G/Sire was the best pigeon I've ever raced, he was a 2003 latebred and scored well in carrying 4 nest flights fae Maidstone 361mls in 2004 and went on tae race for 5 seasons winning Good Money every year he raced.

My whole history in this game has Good Latebreds peppered right through it.

[dkj]

No....birds weaned in February ....perched after that until cycle to set for channel

all the best doo men iv ever known bred off their winners when they win in the national that year,

[dal2]

all the best doo men iv ever known bred off their winners when they win in the national that year,

Guess am no yin of them then lol......and you have known of Lot of good fanciers...

What about these good fanciers that have no stock? Or very little....do they have latebreds?

[tommy2]

Been reading a wee bit up on the subject

 

The guys in Australia don't race ybs then as yearlings they come out and do 600 miles.

 

I don't know how well trained they are as ybs though...most if not all fanciers race celibate

Hi geordie,think you will find aussies only race youngbirds ,and a few old birds if they have any left

[dkj]

Guess am no yin of them then lol......and you have known of Lot of good fanciers...

What about these good fanciers that have no stock? Or very little....do they have latebreds?

dont no, you would have to ask them

[dal2]

That wee hen I got fae Reims is a 2014 latebred....July bred.

No training/racing 2014

 

2015 jumped into Wetherby 167mls, slept out then sent tae Fed comeback race fae Otterburn 80mls. Probably Did train her in 2015 but canny say how often/infrequently.

 

2016 NO TRAINING...back tae Wetherby and done ok. Into Kettering 240mls, 2nd bird home. Next planned race was Thirsk the week before the Gold Cup but it was cancelled so I bit the bullet and took 14 doon tae Gala and put them up in 2's which she done ok....then intae the SNFC Gold Cup and finishes 9th Sec 61st Open.

 

Only the 5th race of her life and only 4 times in a basket 2016

 

My Ypres hen was a 2008 latebred, her G/Sire was the best pigeon I've ever raced, he was a 2003 latebred and scored well in carrying 4 nest flights fae Maidstone 361mls in 2004 and went on tae race for 5 seasons winning Good Money every year he raced.

My whole history in this game has Good Latebreds peppered right through it.

That's top bombing John and you have done real well......but it's about the whole picture ....what about the spring bred babies..how many can you remember good results? Or should you stick to latebreds?

[tommy2]

Stevie I had you down as a clever cent however it shows how wrong one can be LOL.

150 Miles racing every week does not knock the stuffing out of your National candidates nor your Yearlings where they can be jumped 150 miles into 300 miles fresh and fit. Injured birds can be brought back to race fitness instead of being 300 mile behind in a race programme that has been unchanged in 150 years..

How right you are even 100miles each week then jump into 700mile racing works well

[dal2]

How right you are even 100miles each week then jump into 700mile racing works well

Better fanciers than me that's for sure....

[tommy2]

Better fanciers than me that's for sure....

 

No way better fanciers,just willing to try a different approuch

[JohnQuinn]

That's top bombing John and you have done real well......but it's about the whole picture ....what about the spring bred babies..how many can you remember good results? Or should you stick to latebreds?

 

Shouldn't Stick to anything Stevie, gotta be prepared tae go against yer own natural instinct and everything you've been taught sometimes, like me no training!! My Da was every Tues Wed Thurs right through the season and I never knew any different growing up but a was prepared tae make the changes and This Time at least it appears to have paid off.

Would echo Davie in that I always take a pair out of my best racers at the end of racing, as did ma Da.

[dal2]

Shouldn't Stick to anything Stevie, gotta be prepared tae go against yer own natural instinct and everything you've been taught sometimes, like me no training!! My Da was every Tues Wed Thurs right through the season and I never knew any different growing up but a was prepared tae make the changes and This Time at least it appears to have paid off.

Would echo Davie in that I always take a pair out of my best racers at the end of racing, as did ma Da.

I would like to think myself a modern thinker John. We don't train thru the week with old birds until the gold cup prep. We like the loft to help as easy as possible for club racing so no nests are found between March and may....just a widow loft....some are paired for the water depending on how they race best. I have full faith in the stock that bred my race team so therefore should be able to breed like again. The breeding of good yins is a bit of a lottery as I am sure you have came across regular but you must trust blood.

 

This however is not the point of my initial gripe but thought of a team of untested and untrained latebreds being of the same esteem as a schooled ..spring bred team is just daft in my opinion. Old values may be tinkered with but to abandon spring babies for latebreds makes no sense percentage wise and I can't belive for one minute that I am alone in watching latebreds gan like....snow aff a dyke

[peter pandy]

There you go then Stevie !, Top results with July, August bred youngsters and I have already posted that my best racers were Late bred and won from 65-600 mile.

To conclude regarding Fed racing from no more than 150 miles, The very best National men and women down South only go that far every week with the Fed and use it as training for the big races with the BICC, CSFC, and NAT. The Sprint guys like Tommy Bhoys are catered for as well so everyone is a winner.. LOL.

[JohnQuinn]

I would like to think myself a modern thinker John. We don't train thru the week with old birds until the gold cup prep. We like the loft to help as easy as possible for club racing so no nests are found between March and may....just a widow loft....some are paired for the water depending on how they race best. I have full faith in the stock that bred my race team so therefore should be able to breed like again. The breeding of good yins is a bit of a lottery as I am sure you have came across regular but you must trust blood.

 

This however is not the point of my initial gripe but thought of a team of untested and untrained latebreds being of the same esteem as a schooled ..spring bred team is just daft in my opinion. Old values may be tinkered with but to abandon spring babies for latebreds makes no sense percentage wise and I can't belive for one minute that I am alone in watching latebreds gan like....snow aff a dyke

 

Ave looked at the percentages quite a number of times Stevie and, in my loft at least, the percentage of latebreds taken to the percentage of early bred birds is miles better. That's me looking at the Few noteable pigeons I've been lucky enough to race. Personally I believe it's because the Latebreds are taken from the Real cream of the crop who are in the condition of their lives. Jmo.

[dal2]

There you go then Stevie !, Top results with July, August bred youngsters and I have already posted that my best racers were Late bred and won from 65-600 mile.

To conclude regarding Fed racing from no more than 150 miles, The very best National men and women down South only go that far every week with the Fed and use it as training for the big races with the BICC, CSFC, and NAT. The Sprint guys like Tommy Bhoys are catered for as well so everyone is a winner.. LOL.

Ok Peter you win mate. I am going to continue with my ways ....that are no way the old way....and race my doos and enjoy....but racing pigeons hasn't changed much at all and doesn't need reinvented

[dal2]

Ave looked at the percentages quite a number of times Stevie and, in my loft at least, the percentage of latebreds taken to the percentage of early bred birds is miles better. That's me looking at the Few noteable pigeons I've been lucky enough to race. Personally I believe it's because the Latebreds are taken from the Real cream of the crop who are in the condition of their lives. Jmo.

Naebody breeds of birds that aren't though of as their best John regardless of time of year.....should yer best performance at the water when sitting babies well then that's a bonus.....my best are bred from birds that have never been out of the loft....food for thought there perhaps?

[peter pandy]

Ok Peter you win mate. I am going to continue with my ways ....that are no way the old way....and race my doos and enjoy....but racing pigeons hasn't changed much at all and doesn't need reinvented

Stevie mate, it was not my intention to try and win a discussion but to put forward an idea and inform all who read my posts that there can be another way forward. For instance "Hasn't changed, reinvention".. Racing pigeons has changed with the amount of Bassas they meet on the flight home. If their are 1 pair every 10 miles on the race route then at 150 miles their are 30 bassas they have to avoid, 300 miles and its 60 and 400 miles its 70 bassas. This to my mind is where we need change.. OMO.

[dkj]

I would like to think myself a modern thinker John. We don't train thru the week with old birds until the gold cup prep. We like the loft to help as easy as possible for club racing so no nests are found between March and may....just a widow loft....some are paired for the water depending on how they race best. I have full faith in the stock that bred my race team so therefore should be able to breed like again. The breeding of good yins is a bit of a lottery as I am sure you have came across regular but you must trust blood.

 

This however is not the point of my initial gripe but thought of a team of untested and untrained latebreds being of the same esteem as a schooled ..spring bred team is just daft in my opinion. Old values may be tinkered with but to abandon spring babies for latebreds makes no sense percentage wise and I can't belive for one minute that I am alone in watching latebreds gan like....snow aff a dyke

 

dal reading this post what is your initial gripe then

[dal2]

Stevie mate, it was not my intention to try and win a discussion but to put forward an idea and inform all who read my posts that there can be another way forward. For instance "Hasn't changed, reinvention".. Racing pigeons has changed with the amount of Bassas they meet on the flight home. If their are 1 pair every 10 miles on the race route then at 150 miles their are 30 bassas they have to avoid, 300 miles and its 60 and 400 miles its 70 bassas. This to my mind is where we need change.. OMO.

So more about sitting in yer garden from a smash or toughie than getting and then knowing that you have got yer bird RIGHT? Am I close?

[dal2]

dal reading this post what is your initial gripe then

My initial gripe is that the thought that a team of latebreds is a better way forward than a team of spring bred, schooled and raced yearlings for the following year....unless it's just me that finds them hard work and at a very much lower strike rate than the normal?

[dkj]

My initial gripe is that the thought that a team of latebreds is a better way forward than a team of spring bred, schooled and raced yearlings for the following year....unless it's just me that finds them hard work and at a very much lower strike rate than the normal?

i would agree with you there about early y/birds, but i know that you can get well bred late breds that race well also