Blue Chequer Pied Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Coming on next, wife just sent me a text. In relation to killing racing pigeons. Might be worth a listen. Paul.
bibendium Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Didnt hear it myself , but I am told there was a debate on yesterday between Pigeon fanciers and rspb regarding BOP.. did anyone listen to it and was there any usefull content to it.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Somebody put a post on here about it, but I never seen it until too late.
showman Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Sorry, but I don't know how to do links......check out Radio 2 iPlayer for yesterday.
Delboy Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 I sent in text but it wasn't read out. This was a massive opportunity for us to get our case across but im afraid the RPRA guy speaking for us didn't do enough to fight our corner. Missed chance for the public to realise whats really going on .
Blue Chequer Pied Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Posted May 14, 2015 I put a post up about it yesterday as my wife was in the car and heard it was coming on. I listened to it and in my opinion it did not do our cause any good at all. It was badly prepared if prepared at all. Firstly the guy from the rpra told the nation that he was in a loft with 200 birds in one side and 1000 (yes 1000) in the other side. Straight away people will be thinking 1200 birds so what if a sparrowhawk takes one or two. Secondly there was no mention of the captive breeding and introduction of raptors into residential areas which is upsetting the natural balance. No mention of the devastation on song birds either. The rpra were asking for 'problem' raptors to be removed under licence but did not put a decent case for it. I feel that there was a case to discuss the right to protect our lives to cope I party just as farmers are allowed to. The rspb came on and said that there are deterrents (hanging CD's, letting birds out at different times etc) and that we need to breed birds that will evolve to avoid predation (really). None of this was questioned, nothing was said about the deterrents not working. The rspb also did their usual in that they stated most birds are lost due to straying, collisions and starvation. Yet again there was no mention of predation round the loft and it sounded like all the risks were during racing and the issues were not predation by raptors on these flights. The preparation was poor in fact Jeremy Vine was talking about kestrels and red kites being part of the problem (really). I don't think it did us any real good.
Delboy Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 I put a post up about it yesterday as my wife was in the car and heard it was coming on. I listened to it and in my opinion it did not do our cause any good at all. It was badly prepared if prepared at all. Firstly the guy from the rpra told the nation that he was in a loft with 200 birds in one side and 1000 (yes 1000) in the other side. Straight away people will be thinking 1200 birds so what if a sparrowhawk takes one or two. Secondly there was no mention of the captive breeding and introduction of raptors into residential areas which is upsetting the natural balance. No mention of the devastation on song birds either. The rpra were asking for 'problem' raptors to be removed under licence but did not put a decent case for it. I feel that there was a case to discuss the right to protect our lives to cope I party just as farmers are allowed to. The rspb came on and said that there are deterrents (hanging CD's, letting birds out at different times etc) and that we need to breed birds that will evolve to avoid predation (really). None of this was questioned, nothing was said about the deterrents not working. The rspb also did their usual in that they stated most birds are lost due to straying, collisions and starvation. Yet again there was no mention of predation round the loft and it sounded like all the risks were during racing and the issues were not predation by raptors on these flights. The preparation was poor in fact Jeremy Vine was talking about kestrels and red kites being part of the problem (really). I don't think it did us any real good. Spot on Paul, it was a disgrace and detrimental to our sport imo.
Whats it called Cumbernauld Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Spot on Paul, it was a disgrace and detrimental to our sport imo. would agree with you opportunity missed
airdrie2 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 totally agree stuart wardrope was terrible total joke why did he not pass this onto the raptor alliance
Blue Chequer Pied Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Posted May 14, 2015 totally agree stuart wardrope was terrible total joke why did he not pass this onto the raptor alliance Exactly my thoughts, no prep, no planning. He stumbled through the whole thing and seemed more interested in his one loft race than anything..... I wonder why?.....£££££££££££££ There was no challenge to the RSPB, they would have everyone believe the issue could be resolved with a few CD's and a plastic owl expletive remove!!!!!!
lastdrop Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 The old addage of the cost of pigeons once again took centre stage. The way the programme went the public would think we all kept and raced pigeons that cost £250,000.
moscow master Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Get something going for one weekend the whole of Scotland and we would have that smug pleb from the rspb greetin like a wean and it wouldn't be on the Jeremy vine show more the national news we've been more than tolerant time for some action on a mass scale come on guys were running out of time talk is no good we need action !
showman Posted May 15, 2015 Report Posted May 15, 2015 I would agree it was an opportunity totally missed, and a point of view very weakly expressed. Stewart Wardrup was not the person to take part. Even though he holds the GM position, it unfortunately doesn't qualify him as spokesperson for the fancier members of the RPRA. I'm convinced someone could have been put forward who spoke more positively, and better prepared. Mr Wardrup seemed to try and be focusing the move of BOP into urban areas. This was gratefully accepted by Jeff Knott (RSPB) and seized on this as showing the success of their protection. There was no strength in Mr.Wardrups' words, and his delivery was lacking any factual conviction. Young Jeff Knott, a 26 year old Species Policy Officer with the RSPB, spends a lot of his working day focused on birds of prey and their protection. He was a good speaker, confident and very up-beat! It was no contest. OMO.
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