Moisture , Humidity

[andy Burgess]

i have been cleaning a race section (taken me a few weeks) not that it was so bad , but i was . ive found a length of mild-steel round bar i used for the bob-wires i put in last year. it was left on top of the boxes and is totally covered in rust ? . theres a good covering of felt on the roof ,plenty of sunshine through the perspex and air through the vents ,so why did it rust ? would you say the humidity is bad in that section ? if so how can it be improved ?

[Guest bigda]

i have been cleaning a race section (taken me a few weeks) not that it was so bad , but i was . ive found a length of mild-steel round bar i used for the bob-wires i put in last year. it was left on top of the boxes and is totally covered in rust ? . theres a good covering of felt on the roof ,plenty of sunshine through the perspex and air through the vents ,so why did it rust ? would you say the humidity is bad in that section ? if so how can it be improved ?

 

THE PERSPEX IS DOUBLE OR SINGLE THICKNESS

[andy Burgess]

its "double"

[Wiley]

How is the loft ventilated Andy and what was your thinking behind when designing the loft?

 

Have you tested the humidity? Do you have a humidity gauge? Have you tried the salt test?

[harry h]

Andy, if the bar was wet or damp when you put it there, it would rust.

[andy Burgess]

How is the loft ventilated Andy and what was your thinking behind when designing the loft?Have you tested the humidity? Do you have a humidity gauge? Have you tried the salt test?

 

theres a 2" gap front and rear beneath the roof , (9" x 12" approx) grill on the sliding door .i would say the entry point works well , yet the air doesnt "exit" the loft well . ive not tested the humidity ,and dont (as yet) have a guage . Franks salt test no, yet have placed grit in a pot which has attracted "dampness" ?

 

Andy, if the bar was wet or damp when you put it there, it would rust.

 

no not so Harry , it was dry at the time it was fitted ,and even had a light sanding with a fine "wet & dry" before being fixed . the spare piece is as rusty as the piece used for the bob,s ??

[peter pandy]

The atmosphere consists of at least 1% water and the only way to remove it from the loft is via de-humidifiers or heater with hygrometer settings. Ventilation will not stop dampness in a loft as the greater the Ventilation the increase in dampness. Salt draws moisture from the air and is guaranteed to sucumb to dampness as is minerals and grit. I stopped any dampness in the loft with the introduction of heating panels but still give the afore mentioned daily then dumped after an hour. It is beyond reason why fanciers tend to leave minerals or grit lying around instead of giving a small amount daily which they readily consume.

[andy Burgess]

The atmosphere consists of at least 1% water and the only way to remove it from the loft is via de-humidifiers or heater with hydrometer settings. Ventilation will not stop dampness in a loft as the greater the Ventilation the increase in dampness. Salt draws moisture from the air and is guaranteed to sucumb to dampness as is minerals and grit. I stopped any dampness in the loft with the introduction of heating panels but still give the afore mentioned daily then dumped after an hour. It is beyond reason why fanciers tend to leave minerals or grit lying around instead of giving a small amount daily which they readily consume.

 

 

thats an interesting point about "leaving grit & minerals" in the loft Peter . i wonder how many change or remove it ?

it looks like the minimal amount of moisture in the loft is just something i will have to live with.

[THE FIFER]

de-humidifiers cost money, I have them in the caravan during winter, also make some of my own with plastic boxes with salt in them, make holes in the lids if the birds can get at them, if not leave the lids off, once wet just dry the salt and replace

[geordie1234]

Was looking at solar powered de humidifiers not long ago

[andy Burgess]

de-humidifiers cost money, I have them in the caravan during winter, also make some of my own with plastic boxes with salt in them, make holes in the lids if the birds can get at them, if not leave the lids off, once wet just dry the salt and replace

 

i have bought the "moisture traps" from Asda for just a £1 ,but never thought about placing them in the loft ?

[THE FIFER]

i have bought the "moisture traps" from Asda for just a £1 ,but never thought about placing them in the loft ?

 

I have some small ones which you put the moisture ingredients in them, but i also put salt as its the best moisture collector of them all,

[andy Burgess]

i have bought the "moisture traps" from Asda for just a £1 ,but never thought about placing them in the loft ?

 

 

they had none in stock

[buster151]

Try the pound shops Andy they do them

[andy Burgess]

Try the pound shops Andy they do them

 

will do

[William Reid]

i have been cleaning a race section (taken me a few weeks) not that it was so bad , but i was . ive found a length of mild-steel round bar i used for the bob-wires i put in last year. it was left on top of the boxes and is totally covered in rust ? . theres a good covering of felt on the roof ,plenty of sunshine through the perspex and air through the vents ,so why did it rust ? would you say the humidity is bad in that section ? if so how can it be improved ?

Good evening andy . As long as the life rings on the pigeons in that section don't rust I would think everything should be okay :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[andy Burgess]

Good evening andy . As long as the life rings on the pigeons in that section don't rust I would think everything should be okay :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

aliminum based Billy , wouldnt rust anyway , yet oxodize

[William Reid]

aliminum based Billy , wouldnt rust anyway , yet oxodize

expletive remove was only some banter

[andy Burgess]

expletive remove was only some banter

 

ditto

[ally mac]

Can we really make a difference to the humidity with dehumidifiers etc when lofts are so well ventilated?

[William Reid]

ditto

Every time ya polatitician bassa

[andy Burgess]

Can we really make a difference to the humidity with dehumidifiers etc when lofts are so well ventilated?

 

i dont know Ally , yet from the bar i found rusted , moisture has been present in the loft so ??

 

Every time ya polatitician bassa

 

thanks Billy

[billt]

Can we really make a difference to the humidity with dehumidifiers etc when lofts are so well ventilated?

 

No I don't think so, they can only be any good when the area is enclosed otherwise you are just drawing in fresh air which will have moisture in it

[andy Burgess]

No I don't think so, they can only be any good when the area is enclosed otherwise you are just drawing in fresh air which will have moisture in it

 

 

maybe its a sign the ventilation is working and i should ignore the minimal amount of moisture then ??

[billt]

maybe its a sign the ventilation is working and i should ignore the minimal amount of moisture then ??

 

I think you should, I think you'd need to live in a very warm climate to be moisture free, doesn't sound like Scotland does it