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[Guest IB]

I am on the SNFC Committee and have NEVER seen this letter where did you get it from.

 

Ian, copies of the letter were handed out by the writer to the Special meeting of 19/8/07 (date could be wrong?). I couldn’t get there, and I asked for information on that meeting on here. One of the members who did attend gave me a copy. The thread on which I made the enquiry can be viewed at:

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1187556012/s-0/

 

 

 

There has been NO investigation allowed by the Committee

 

Ian, even Gareth acknowledges an investigation, though he wasn’t happy in the way it was conducted. A letter signed by Andrew Garven (posted on here by the Webmaster on 9/8/07) also states ‘the matter has been investigated’. The actual post is on

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1186601899/s-2/highlight-investigation/#num2

 

 

SNFC letter as posted to me:

 

Quoted Text

30th July 2007

 

To: All members of SNFC

 

Dear Member,

 

A letter has been received from *SNFC members name removed*. The matter has been investigated by the officials who feel there is no case to answer. *SNFC members name removed* has been informed of the decision and his right to proceed further under the rules of the SNFC. It is our belief that this matter raised by *SNFC members name removed* is now subject of a police investigation.

 

Andrew Garven I hope this answers your questions, Ian.

 

 

[jimmy white]

is it time for change at the top for snfc come the agm?

 

this is the topic

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

Perhaps I should refresh your memory on my position : Nobody has the right to say a person has been dishonest on the strength of rumours alone. Yet rumours is exactly what the request for an official investigation was based on:-

 

 

 

Rumours that had been gaining momentum for 3 years and even to the extent that his birds were readily identifiable compare to his fellow competitors within the baskets because of substances/marks on his birds.

I think you will find that you are the only one in the sport who would allow these rumours to fester instead of hitting it on the head and dealing with it which if left unturned damages the SNFC in more ways than one.

 

IB

It still amazes me that even after you members of your own federation carried out there own investigation on him this year you are still on this site promoting and protecting him.

 

Thank the lord the vast majority dont live in IB'S world.

 

 

 

 

[oscar_]

looking at the posts   maybe some persons using more than one usernames  

[THE FIFER]

I have unlocked this thread so as to be fair, but please try to keep the postings in line with the original opening of the thread, and this subject has been on site before and is an ongoing topic so will give time to let members have a chance to answere or ask questions but please keep it in order, I may lock it later tonight after you have had a chance to post, jkeep it good . thanks

 

[PATTY BHOY]

All this nonsence will not appeal to new fanciers wanting to start pigeon racing here in Scotland

[naedoos]

 

No I mentioned integrity and that is exactly what the club I am a member of has in abundance.

It also has a great deal of additional merits which I will detail if you like. But let's start with harmony.

I don't see a great deal of harmony in the other club based on the posts by it's members on this thread.

If I were to feel as strongly as some of the posters on this thread obviously do then I would be seeking an alternative.

 

Note----I resigned from the SNFC as a fully paid up member before the split because I was unhappy with the club management.    

 

 

Well done to you for leaving the club in the proper manner in that case.

 

You are probably not far off the mark at this moment in time regarding harmony, but I'm fairly sure with the honesty, experience and the will to see the geatest club in the country become even greater through the hard work and effort put in by the majority of the remaining members, this I am sure will be remedied in the near future.

 

And yes I would love to see details of your additional merits

 

[jimmy white]

I have unlocked this thread so as to be fair, but please try to keep the postings in line with the original opening of the thread, and this subject has been on site before and is an ongoing topic so will give time to let members have a chance to answere or ask questions but please keep it in order, I may lock it later tonight after you have had a chance to post, jkeep it good . thanks

 

i have opened this thread once  more , if we could keep things fair ,, please, admin will be on later, if things go haywire he will have no option in locking it , i cant be any fairer than that , please try and post to avoid this happenning , thanks

[DOVEScot]

All this nonsence will not appeal to new fanciers wanting to start pigeon racing here in Scotland

 

No it won't, but being one of them, surely if the problems were sorted out once and for all if ay all possible then any new fanciers would benefit

Billy is leaving it up to me what way we go and basically have decided to join the SHU in the mean time. Even if there was only one there would still be some sort of arguments as there is in all sports and walks of life :-/

[Delboy]

well lads who do think would be fit the jobs at the top

 

President - Tam McEwan, Elphinstone    Senior Vice President - Ian Henderson, Newmains   Junior Vice President - Gareth Rankin  

[Guest]

 

President - Tam McEwan, Elphinstone    Senior Vice President - Ian Henderson, Newmains   Junior Vice President - Gareth Rankin  

 

pro joe murphy,(ok)

[frank-123]

committee

george briggs and derek hay

[Delboy]

committee

george briggs and derek hay

and Frank Welsh  

 

 

[frank-123]

surely jim hannah or are you not talking to him because he took your money yesterday

[Delboy]

surely jim hannah or are you not talking to him because he took your money yesterday

 

JIM WHO,  Oh him, thats the start of the hustle Frank, watch for the big bet next week  

[alex wight]

 

pro joe murphy,(ok)

 

great choice, very competent pro, as proved in the past, and all that he does for the sport.

 

[Delboy]

 

great choice, very competent pro, as proved in the past, and all that he does for the sport.

 

I agree, the PRO should be chosen at AGM and not at Management Committee meeting

[frank-123]

he(jim) was sitting very close to the judge  

[alex wight]

 

I agree, the PRO should be chosen at AGM and not at Management Committee meeting

 

Hear hear mate, a few changes all round are required i/we feel. i,d still like to see a postal vote on the proposals, so that the members who cant attend the agm for one reason or another. That way at least the whole membership gets a chance to vote.

[robbiedoo.]

a postal vote would be the fairest way because it is the whole of scotland we are speaking about. Some of the older and not so able fanciers would have their say aswell. Many fanciers up north are older and not able for a 6hour round trip to the AGM .This way everyone can have their say.

[DOVEScot]

a postal vote would be the fairest way because it is the whole of scotland we are speaking about. Some of the older and not so able fanciers would have their say aswell. Many fanciers up north are older and not able for a 6hour round trip to the AGM .This way everyone can have their say.

 

I said this before that members should at least be entitled to a postal vote for loads of reasons  

[Guest 67ghirl]

 

President - Tam McEwan, Elphinstone    Senior Vice President - Ian Henderson, Newmains   Junior Vice President - Gareth Rankin  

 

PRO Joe Murphy, commitee Derek and George.

 

Agree with all of the above.

 

But Derek you will need to console Eggy that he's been ousted (not outed) already!

 

(evil)(evil)

[jock3]

eggy should stay on    ;D

[Guest IB]

I did post to an SHU thread a good while ago that I thought the election system for key Management posts could be improved. I thought then and still believe that election to President, vice-President etc should be based on the UK Government election / Trades Union Executive models, where candidates prepare a brief of their management experience & expertise and set out their proposed agenda for possible improvements to the union / society / classic club, if they are elected.

 

To ensure that it is the grass roots that are electing individuals into these key posts, ballot papers with all nominations and their candidate profiles are posted out to all members. And the completed ballot papers come back to an independent body for count, e.g. the Electoral Reform Society. Whoever gets elected also gets a mandate for proposed reforms from the grass roots.

 

I see it being ideal for SNFC. No cliques, no in-fighting, just pure election on the strength of what you say you can and will do, and re-election next time round on the same basis, re-election success determined (probably) on your achievement at reform proving that your given word is your bond..

 

 

 

 

[Delboy]

President - Tam McEwan, Elphinstone    Senior Vice President - Ian Henderson, Newmains   Junior Vice President - Gareth Rankin  

 

PRO Joe Murphy, commitee Derek and George.

 

Agree with all of the above.

 

But Derek you will need to console Eggy that he's been ousted (not outed) already!

 

(evil)(evil)

 

Eggy said to me that you would be good on the committee Angela   ;D