'memories' Pass Between Generations

[Tony C]

A few years back a fancier suggested to me that he's (and others) pigeons had picked up a different line due to a severe hawk problem in a certain place in the country. It was he's thought that he's pigeons rather than fly from A to B in a straight line now dog-leg adding 10's of miles to their journey to avoid the hawks. At the time I thought how would the youngsters know how to avoid this area, surely they would track for home by the quickest route possible! but no, the youngsters picked up the same line as the old birds. Having just read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25156510 what the fanciers thoughts were could hold water.

[andy Burgess]

yes I believe it to be true Tony , memory & characteristics pass between generations of humans .

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Old Hand used to speak about this and now it appears science is confirming it.

[yeboah]

Tony ,I know my youngsters after being hit by the falcon on their first tosses change the line and come wide of the motorway ,however the old birds if winning hold a line and come straight .

[just ask me]

A few years back a fancier suggested to me that he's (and others) pigeons had picked up a different line due to a severe hawk problem in a certain place in the country. It was he's thought that he's pigeons rather than fly from A to B in a straight line now dog-leg adding 10's of miles to their journey to avoid the hawks. At the time I thought how would the youngsters know how to avoid this area, surely they would track for home by the quickest route possible! but no, the youngsters picked up the same line as the old birds. Having just read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25156510 what the fanciers thoughts were could hold water.

 

 

im not sure they could pass on to bypass a certain area though the egg but nature does have a funny way of working

[walterboswell59]

dont think this is anything to do with passing on memories but just the fact that the birds could see the falcon waiting on them so take a different route to avoyed it imo

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Did some continental fancier not have a lot of bother when moving location with his birds hitting wires, however in subsequent generations the problem decreased. He explained this was because their mothers told them about the wires.

I know that could have been because the more alert pigeons produced youngsters who were also more alert.

[paddymac]

dont think this is anything to do with passing on memories but just the fact that the birds could see the falcon waiting on them so take a different route to avoyed it imo

Have to agree with you Walter, all it takes is one bop strike and those birds that survive it will learn from it and recognise possible areas of further strikes whenever homing from a race and tend to avoid the area and risk. As regards to wires near a loft you'll usally have a few casualties each year mostly with that years Ybs but over time the older birds are well used to their loft areas and avoid the known obstacles.

[Guest bigda]

Have to agree with you Walter, all it takes is one bop strike and those birds that survive it will learn from it and recognise possible areas of further strikes whenever homing from a race and tend to avoid the area and risk. As regards to wires near a loft you'll usally have a few casualties each year mostly with that years Ybs but over time the older birds are well used to their loft areas and avoid the known obstacles.

 

hard to say, if the hawk turns up at your shed, i have seen birds hit of windows, and the gable of the house so as to get out its way, must have known the gable of the house was there and the window.

[paddymac]

Agree with you on that point bigda as birds will fly in a blind panic when a bop attacks, I was meaning in their normal flying around the loft they get used to their surroundings and obstacles

[walterboswell59]

hard to say, if the hawk turns up at your shed, i have seen birds hit of windows, and the gable of the house so as to get out its way, must have known the gable of the house was there and the window.

dan if a lion was chasing you you would try and dive through a window to m8

[walterboswell59]

watch your pigeons when your training they will tell you when the falcon is about and if they dont clear within a minute its because they can see whats waiting on them and are looking for a way round it there not daff they can see a falcon miles away

[peter pandy]

Agree with you on that point bigda as birds will fly in a blind panic when a bop attacks, I was meaning in their normal flying around the loft they get used to their surroundings and obstacles

Lost a 3 year old a couple of weeks ago when it flew into a lamp post that was erected about 50 years past.

[Guest bigda]

Lost a 3 year old a couple of weeks ago when it flew into a lamp post that was erected about 50 years past.

 

it seen the light then

[gulkie]

it seen the light then

No It didn't see the light.