Eye Sign

[racing novice]

Does anyone know who can read eyes. Saw something on here a few weeks ago but can't remember who it was

[sammy]

 

 

 

 

try this

[walterboswell59]

stb on here knows his stuff m8 hes the best i know is our rab

[Guest Owen]

Don't waste your time. If you want to select pigeons to breed you winners go out and buy a pen and writing pad. Then sit down and select your best performers and do the same next year and so on. There is a lot of nonsense in the pigeon game and eyesign is one of the worst waste of time closely followed by handling, apart for quality of feather, and loads more geared to delay your rise to the top.

[walterboswell59]

could not agree more owen

[racing novice]

just had a look at the video on youtube and am now more confused so i think i will take your advice owen and buy a pad and pen, thanks .

[hawked again]

Best result possible, well done Owen,

[peter pandy]

Don't waste your time. If you want to select pigeons to breed you winners go out and buy a pen and writing pad. Then sit down and select your best performers and do the same next year and so on. There is a lot of nonsense in the pigeon game and eyesign is one of the worst waste of time closely followed by handling, apart for quality of feather, and loads more geared to delay your rise to the top.

Thought you knew your stuff Owen but obviously not, Same with you Walter, If you think handling is equivalent to looking up their backside. The most important aspect of success is handling and re-handling prior to sending to a race.

[Wiley]

Thought you knew your stuff Owen but obviously not, Same with you Walter, If you think handling is equivalent to looking up their backside. The most important aspect of success is handling and re-handling prior to sending to a race.

 

Sorry Peter cannot agree with your statement. Handling means diddly squat, Observation is the most important aspect of success. But were all entitled to our own opinion.

[hotrod]

Thought you knew your stuff Owen but obviously not, Same with you Walter, If you think handling is equivalent to looking up their backside. The most important aspect of success is handling and re-handling prior to sending to a race.

Got to agree with you ,handling pigeons is one of the only ways you will learn ,from being to fat too thin in condition to coming into form ,there is a big change in a pigeon , another is observing them and noticing the change when they come into form. Eye sign. ? It's the very first thing you do when you pick up a bird look at its eye , I like a good strong eye but more importantly looking at the eye for a sign of health.

[peter pandy]

Sorry Peter cannot agree with your statement. Handling means diddly squat, Observation is the most important aspect of success. But were all entitled to our own opinion.

Yes observation plays its part however it is only a part. I have observed pigeons doing strange things which shows they are in great order BUT when handling find that they don't have the body for a specific race where time on the wing is paramount which is why I have had more pool winners than most. I discovered many years past that I could send birds fed on a famous brand with marvellous physique that could not handle a 4 hour fly. This is where handling comes into its own and determines the art of feeding.

[JohnQuinn]

I am familiar with the THEORY of eyesign and had 2 great tutors in my father, but probably more so from the late Andrew Deans of Bothwell. The first thing both pointed out was that it was NOT a way of identifying birds for breeding or racing, it was just a Theory that was interesting as are many other theories in the pigeon game.

I have had good racing pigeons with what would be considered excellent eyesign in their heads and i have won many eyesign classes at shows but it is just the way they turned out and the shows are just fun, no more or less to me.

The best bird i have ever bred and owned would have been thrown out of any eyesign class at a glance, but he won multiple times from 60mls to 507mls on the road and bred the dam of my SNFC section winner, (when paired to his half sister) who herself had a "terrible" eyesign in her head and the section winner she bred wasn't much better going by the Theory.

As far as handling is concerned the above mentioned Ck was dreadful in the hand, long skinny bird with very little muscle mass on him, it was almost embarrassing handing him over for race marking he was so poor in the hand, but he had something no one could see or feel, that was Character and Stamina in abundance.

By all means select your birds according to their respective eyesign's for pairing together, but rest assured you are no more likely to breed winners that way than any other method you choose.

For what it's worth i pair half Bro/Sis together if i want to keep something for breeding off, then cross the offspring out with a completely unrelated bird to get something for racing, and i have had a modicum of success this way.

If fortunate enough to have multiple winning birds at one time in the loft then i would pair winner to winner, but again there is no guarantee of breeding winners from them either.

All matters relating to our beloved birds are simply each to their own and that is as it should be. JMO.

[tiger]

Thought you knew your stuff Owen but obviously not, Same with you Walter, If you think handling is equivalent to looking up their backside. The most important aspect of success is handling and re-handling prior to sending to a race.

:emoticon-0137-clapping: yes peter ur 100 % many times ive picked birds out on a Friday night ie freds birds and they win the race on the saterday just on handling also others in club .jmo

[sammy]

first of all, as in everything pigeons its a ,THEORY, and one that some people are able to grasp and do things with while others who in there ignorance of it are quick to condem it ,how is that a doctor can look into your eyes and tell you about your health ,OWEN,WATTIE,you both have given your views on breeding methods for the novice and spent some time and detail on it but when it comes to eye sign and a novice asking questions you dissruped the thread by not giving your views on it but taking the easy way of saying it is rubbish ,why not give us YOUR views on it and point us in the direction so we can all say it is rubbish , I HOPE TO BE FURTHER EDUCATED ON THIS SUBJECT BY YOURSELFS

[Guest Owen]

I would bet that there are lot of people like me because I love the feel of a pigeon. It is one of the many reasons I keep them. To me all livestock are the same in one important way. You need to look at them every day. Not glance at them but really look at them so that you can see if they are bit quiet or upset and better still on their toes.

I love it when you can see a bird is feeling good with sparkling eyes and full of life.

However, I would not try to assess the worth of a pigeon by handling because it is just a load of rubbish. If I am assessing a pigeon with a view to buying it I might weigh it in my hand to work out whether or not it is fat or under weight but that is all. If I were to want to buy a pigeon I would want to look at the cards it has won together with the cards it's relatives have won and make my decision from there. Paper pedigrees do not impress me and neither does the fact that it's distant relative has done wonders.

I find my best guide to a pigeon's condition is to see it fly out at exercise with his mates. Bearing in mind I fly Celibate cocks when they are in good form they will get up and fly high and away down the valley from here in a tight bunch at speed. When they do that and I do my part and prepare them properly I know that providing we don't get an unfavourable wind they will do well.

[greenlands]

Some good posts on this thread,well done lads.

[walterboswell59]

Thought you knew your stuff Owen but obviously not, Same with you Walter, If you think handling is equivalent to looking up their backside. The most important aspect of success is handling and re-handling prior to sending to a race.

handling for form is very differnt from handling for shape peter all shapes win like wise all eyes can race well and breed winners thats what im saying and think owen would agree

[Novice]

Does anyone know who can read eyes. Saw something on here a few weeks ago but can't remember who it was

 

 

The original post is quoted above. The poster simply asked who could read eyes and immediately the anti eye brigade jump in with 2 feet. Let the poster do his own homework and decide for himself about this or any other theory. That is his prerogative without having the views of others forced upon him.

 

Some of the posts are well off topic and typical of the negativity displayed by pigeon fanciers.

[greenlands]

http://www.albertaclassic.com/sitemap.php

 

 

 

http://www.tourdesmaritimes.com/Eyesign/Eyesign101/myron_kulik_intro.htm

[peter pandy]

I was an eye sign enthusiast in my younger years until Mr Masarella purchased Johnny Robertson's Double Top the winner of SNFC Nantes and their was a full page Photograph of its eye. Absolutely no eye sign only a yellow eye with a pin *expletive removed* pupil.

[walterboswell59]

we all love our birds to handle nice and have a nice eye but many great racers and breeders just dont have that i agree with michael masserellla that its purely a family trayt and i know good fanciars that have tried breeding purely for a great handling pigeon that can win in the show pen but bred out the birds ability to win races which in my opion is first and foremost i would only advise a novice to breed for winning genes not an eye colour or a shape of pigeon if you have a loft of winners that all have great eyes and handle a dream your one of the few my family is not the prettyst and all shapes win along with every colour of eye i have birds with good so called eyesign that breed winners and birds with no eye sign that breed winners and this is what i base my opion on handling pigeons to see if there in form is a different thing alltogether the only type i breed for is the winning type and that to me is birds that win races not shows ive watched some of the worse fanciers that have won nothing in racing clean up in shows year after year but cant win a race its a theory and differs from man to man and a bit of fun in winter months 50 years in pigeons have taught me to breed for winning genes not eye sign or shape or my loft would be empty

[sammy]

we all love our birds to handle nice and have a nice eye but many great racers and breeders just dont have that i agree with michael masserellla that its purely a family trayt and i know good fanciars that have tried breeding purely for a great handling pigeon that can win in the show pen but bred out the birds ability to win races which in my opion is first and foremost i would only advise a novice to breed for winning genes not an eye colour or a shape of pigeon if you have a loft of winners that all have great eyes and handle a dream your one of the few my family is not the prettyst and all shapes win along with every colour of eye i have birds with good so called eyesign that breed winners and birds with no eye sign that breed winners and this is what i base my opion on handling pigeons to see if there in form is a different thing alltogether the only type i breed for is the winning type and that to me is birds that win races not shows ive watched some of the worse fanciers that have won nothing in racing clean up in shows year after year but cant win a race its a theory and differs from man to man and a bit of fun in winter months 50 years in pigeons have taught me to breed for winning genes not eye sign or shape or my loft would be empty

OFF TOPIC

[walterboswell59]

OFF TOPIC

the reply was to you sammy who asked for my opinion and owens im not anti eye sign in any way and if you can pick out champion pigeons by looking in there eye i take my hat off to you i cant m8 and offten wonderd why the eyesign men that judge and win shows are not cleaning up in the racing but im allways willing to learn friend stb has stirred my interest again but again its theory not fact and its fact that pigeons with no eyesign can win and breed winners to thats all im saying sam and i ans the man by telling him rab stb was the best ive known atvb m8

[sammy]

the reply was to you sammy who asked for my opinion and owens im not anti eye sign in any way and if you can pick out champion pigeons by looking in there eye i take my hat off to you i cant m8 and offten wonderd why the eyesign men that judge and win shows are not cleaning up in the racing but im allways willing to learn friend stb has stirred my interest again but again its theory not fact and its fact that pigeons with no eyesign can win and breed winners to thats all im saying sam and i ans the man by telling him rab stb was the best ive known atvb m8

this is the thing wattie people put up genuine posts to learn things pigeon all different theories as thats all they are your own included its only through trial and error that a theory can be proved but i dont see the point in jumping in and rubbishing a theory when you cant explain WHY and so far no one has ,learned long time ago pigeon wise if yi cant put up an argument FOR or AGAINST it in pigeon theories keep yir mouth shut ,as you wont learn anything or anyone anything atvb

[just ask me]

this is the thing wattie people put up genuine posts to learn things pigeon all different theories as thats all they are your own included its only through trial and error that a theory can be proved but i dont see the point in jumping in and rubbishing a theory when you cant explain WHY and so far no one has ,learned long time ago pigeon wise if yi cant put up an argument FOR or AGAINST it in pigeon theories keep yir mouth shut ,as you wont learn anything or anyone anything atvb

 

 

anyone can contribute to the thread please dont be telling people to keep there mouth shut

 

 

if members want to say its rubbish its there opinion its no different to any other theory that people have a view on or a product

 

you yourself have done it many times in the past