Baytril

[gibson83]

I watched Mark Caudwell DVD and he mentions a product called BAYTRIL - where would one get such a product as it seems to be prescription only

[just ask me]

only need it if birds are in a real bad way also its got to be used at the right time for the right ailment

 

 

its against the law for anyone to sell you baytril unless there a vet of course

[gibson83]

Mark mentions a 7-10 day dose before pairing for breeding??

[alex young]

On the Australian Pigeon Company site under the heading of recent articles,there is a good one about the use of Baytril.Well worth a read.

[just ask me]

Mark mentions a 7-10 day dose before pairing for breeding??

 

 

there is no need unless the birds are sick its pointless giving it to them

 

get your droppings tested 2 weeks before you pair up unless you notice something is up before hand

 

baytril is a brilliant medication real powerful stuff why give it to a healthy animal

[gibson83]

If you were to use his system - what would you substitute Baytril for?

[blackdog]

message sent

[clockman]

If you were to use his system - what would you substitute Baytril for?

 

pm sent

[David_vet]

I am pleased to see all the words of caution. I reproduce part of Colin Walker's article. I could not put it better myself.

 

"...Treating pigeons with ‘Baytril’ is not part of a routine pigeon health management program. At various times of the pigeon year, medication is used to prevent or control disease and prepare the birds for racing etc. ‘Baytril’ is not used in this way. It has no preventative property but simply kills organisms that are sensitive to it that are in the pigeon at the time of treatment. If birds are re-exposed to these organisms the day after the treatment stops they will be re-infected. I recently had a fancier tell me that every year as racing approaches he gives his race team ‘Baytril’ 1ml to 1 litre of drinking water for 10 days and that he considered this ‘essential’ for success. Using this drug in this way would achieve absolutely nothing apart from perhaps making the fancier feel better in some way. At the time of writing, it is about 8 weeks before racing starts in Victoria. I had another fancier ring me recently. He explained that he had given his race team, in preparation for racing, a long course of doxycycline, a long course of ‘Sulfa AVS’ (another antibiotic blend). The purpose of his phone call was to ask if he should now give a long course of ‘Baytril’. I found this call rather disappointing, for years well publicised pre-race programs have been published by vets. If nothing else, it just showed how some fanciers have an unreasonable over reliance on antibiotics."

[Guest Owen]

There is no good reason to use Baytril. At one time the Belgium's used to think that if there was any risk of the birds being infected with Paratyphoid they could treat them with Baytril for 10 days in November prior to pairing up. What they didn't understand was that the disease mutates and the best way to treat it is to send samples to the Lab and get a sensitivity test done which identifies the right antibiotic to kill the bacteria. The right antibiotic may not be Baytril.

The next problem is that Baytril will kill everything good and bad bacteria alike. After that something will recolonize the gut and you have very little control over what bacteria it will be and there is a very strong chance that the birds will be ruined.

The other reason that people used Baytril for was to treat YBS which never worked because YBS is a virus and antibiotics have no affect on viruses at all.

Finally people like Mark Caulwell spread the idea that Baytril could give you better performances from the birds in a similar way that performance enhancing drugs would do. Apart from the fact that this would be illegal it must be wrong on every level. Besides it does not work.

[walterboswell59]

i agree with everything owen has said i think baytril is playing with fire imo

[gulkie]

Baytril is a wide speck antibiotic it is to help cure certain ailments not to be given

To healthy birds and to give it as a preventative you are heading for free fall with

Your birds , don't go down that road ,if your birds get really sick their resistance

Will be non existence .there will be a time when you need an antibiotic that's when

To use it .good luck.

[WHITTY]

WHY DO YOU TREET EVERY YEAR FOR COCY WORMS CANCER PREVENTIVELY IF ITS NOT NEEDED I TREAT WITH BAYTRIL EVERY YEAR

FOR PARATYPHOD FOR 7 DAYS IN NOVEMBER WITH NO BAD RESULTS AND MY BIRD DONT GO ON THE DOWN SLIDE BUT EVERY ONE TO THERE ON OPINION CHEERS

[JohnQuinn]

Quite right Whitty, each to their own. Personally i treat for nothing, my choice and my doos. If i'm not winning races its no because i didnae treat for this that and the other, its because i've made wrong decisions or haven't had the time to work the doos as much as they need to compete, almost exclusively its the latter. What i am Certain of is its NOT because i don't medicate them. jmo.

[Guest Owen]

"Each to his own"? What is that about? I am sure that the problems we are getting with YBS have been brought on by people playing about with Antibiotics and causing the microbes to become resistant to antibiotics which then affects everybody.

The pigeons are put into crates and are mixed with birds from everywhere which then shares out the irresponsible actions of those who think they are clever. In regard to people treating for problems in case the birds have been infected. Again that is very bad practise because the less medication that is used the better. Why would anybody want to treat birds for diseases they don't have for goodness sake? The answer is to take swabs and droppings and have them tested by someone who knows what they are doing such as David Parsons who has advertised recently and will give you the best of professional advice.

Vets will often send Fanciers home with medications and not bother to follow up their own diagnosis. In the case, for example of hair worm, the one off treatment often does not achieve a complete kill and the birds remain infected. So having a second examination is very important if you want the birds to be free of their medical problems.

I think the one thing that makes me really mad is the idea that pigeons should be treated for respiratory diseases. If the lofts were constructed properly and the birds given free access to sunshine and fresh air there would be no need of such treatments and the birds would be better in every way.

[dwh]

"Each to his own"? What is that about? I am sure that the problems we are getting with YBS have been brought on by people playing about with Antibiotics and causing the microbes to become resistant to antibiotics which then affects everybody.

The pigeons are put into crates and are mixed with birds from everywhere which then shares out the irresponsible actions of those who think they are clever. In regard to people treating for problems in case the birds have been infected. Again that is very bad practise because the less medication that is used the better. Why would anybody want to treat birds for diseases they don't have for goodness sake? The answer is to take swabs and droppings and have them tested by someone who knows what they are doing such as David Parsons who has advertised recently and will give you the best of professional advice.

Vets will often send Fanciers home with medications and not bother to follow up their own diagnosis. In the case, for example of hair worm, the one off treatment often does not achieve a complete kill and the birds remain infected. So having a second examination is very important if you want the birds to be free of their medical problems.

I think the one thing that makes me really mad is the idea that pigeons should be treated for respiratory diseases. If the lofts were constructed properly and the birds given free access to sunshine and fresh air there would be no need of such treatments and the birds would be better in every way.

interesting poimt

how many times a year do you worm canker ans cocci yur birds?

[gulkie]

WHY DO YOU TREET EVERY YEAR FOR COCY WORMS CANCER PREVENTIVELY IF ITS NOT NEEDED I TREAT WITH BAYTRIL EVERY YEAR

FOR PARATYPHOD FOR 7 DAYS IN NOVEMBER WITH NO BAD RESULTS AND MY BIRD DONT GO ON THE DOWN SLIDE BUT EVERY ONE TO THERE ON OPINION CHEERS

So true Witty but do you take something for a head ache when you don't have one

That's MY option .

 

"Each to his own"? What is that about? I am sure that the problems we are getting with YBS have been brought on by people playing about with Antibiotics and causing the microbes to become resistant to antibiotics which then affects everybody.

The pigeons are put into crates and are mixed with birds from everywhere which then shares out the irresponsible actions of those who think they are clever. In regard to people treating for problems in case the birds have been infected. Again that is very bad practise because the less medication that is used the better. Why would anybody want to treat birds for diseases they don't have for goodness sake? The answer is to take swabs and droppings and have them tested by someone who knows what they are doing such as David Parsons who has advertised recently and will give you the best of professional advice.

Vets will often send Fanciers home with medications and not bother to follow up their own diagnosis. In the case, for example of hair worm, the one off treatment often does not achieve a complete kill and the birds remain infected. So having a second examination is very important if you want the birds to be free of their medical problems.

I think the one thing that makes me really mad is the idea that pigeons should be treated for respiratory diseases. If the lofts were constructed properly and the birds given free access to sunshine and fresh air there would be no need of such treatments and the birds would be better in every way.

Spot on Owen

[peter pandy]

In my humble opinion anyone administrating Baytril or any other antibiotic in the racing season to their birds should be banned from racing. It is my opinion that these antibiotics is one of the main causes of all our troubles from old and young bird losses, young bird sickness and passing on other ailments in the basket. Those so called fanciers have created within their birds no immune system and they are infecting the race teams of those who do not administer drugs haphazardly.

[dwh]

In my humble opinion anyone administrating Baytril or any other antibiotic in the racing season to their birds should be banned from racing. It is my opinion that these antibiotics is one of the main causes of all our troubles from old and young bird losses, young bird sickness and passing on other ailments in the basket. Those so called fanciers have created within their birds no immune system and they are infecting the race teams of those who do not administer drugs haphazardly.

So if your race team is ill with a disease during the season you can't treat?

[peter pandy]

So if your race team is ill with a disease during the season you can't treat?

 

The answer to your question is quite obvious.

[just ask me]

how would baytril pass on ailments the bigger problem is people sending sick birds and dont bother to treat them or keep them at home

[Guest chad3646]

how would baytril pass on ailments the bigger problem is people sending sick birds and dont bother to treat them or keep them at home

 

 

spot on jam, i was in a well known lanarkshire fanciers loft, the colour of the water in the drinkers was that of the rainbow, i asked him what was in it he just told me this and that, i am still waiting on an answer

[BLACK W F]

spot on jam, i was in a well known lanarkshire fanciers loft, the colour of the water in the drinkers was that of the rainbow, i asked him what was in it he just told me this and that, i am still waiting on an answer

I heard your nick name is the baytril kid wonder why pmsl

[Guest Owen]

dwh

I never treat the birds during the non racing season because I have found that it is better to let them build up their immunity to the common diseases with the exception or worms. Since I improved the ventilation of the lofts and added aviaries similar to the ones on Red Rose Lofts I have not had much of a problem with canker and due to the drop on cocci infections I don't treat for it any more. From time to time I find worm eggs and I will treat for that straight away because I will not put up with even the smallest worm infection. If the Vet finds hair worm eggs make sure that he gives enough medication to treat the birds a second time three weeks after the first treatment. I never have respiratory problems these days and those who do should alter their lofts to improve the ventilation. In regard to antibiotics, I will not use them at all unless I was unlucky enough to have a case of Paratyphoid. I think that this would be unlikely but as long as we have people messing about with antibiotics it could happen.

In regard to YBS, whereas I used to find dead birds quite frequently and I often had others that were too ill to be any good it is very rare for me to have a problem these days. I inject all the stock birds and adult racers towards the end of November and the youngsters twice. The first time at 5 weeks old and the second 4 weeks later. The youngsters are kept on dry deep litter based on Versa Laga loft floor dressing and they seem to be fine.

[dwh]

The answer to your question is quite obvious.

Peter it is to me yet by your statement i could'nt race afterwards

i don't disagree with you about the willy nilly use of anti's but the use of such treatments is advocated

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