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If for once we could get all the fanciers to sing of the same song sheet we might just might have a chance of getting something done.

 

Every year fanciers donate thousands of pounds to charity one way or another to help others. DOES ANYONE HELP US

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Good thread as said comes up every year, i often mention it when get chance to nieghbours joe public, find that joe public very seldom have clue wats flying above their heads, coz birds a bird to them, until you point it out, told women at bottem garden that sparrow hawk wiped out her birds at bird table she had been feeding, in 3 weeks. she thout was a cat, watched how excited

they got on tv when Queens horse won big race, if only she could win the National might let public know she patron of pigeon racing, any publicity is good, but with war being remembered next year we should we jumping at chance of publicity, but as often said fanciers thier own worst enemy, cant pull together,

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was behind uddingstons training van last week at elvanfoot were i noticed a sticker on the back of it [WHERE HAVE ALL THE SONGBIRDS GONE ] PERCY ON TOP OF A PIGEON i thought those would be helpfull to put about where doo you get them

 

 

I can get my hands on some (30-40), If ok I could post them up to Fifer for easier distribution.

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I think we should start by examining the way the sport is run. Anyone reading these Forums will draw conclusions from the way we present ourselves. If what they see is negative and complaining they will have a poor image of the sport. We need to do all we can to make the sport vibrant and show how much we work with the birds and show the reality of how much care and attention to detail goes into our efforts.

At one time people in this area were all aware of the sport and everybody knew what was going on. One of the most popular events in the year was the Annual Supper and even those who did not keep pigeons themselves would want to attend.

Work of this sort will result in the Sport gaining popularity and the knowledge of what we do and how we do it will spread. The General Public have been sold an image of what the RSPB do and believe that they champion the welfare of all birds. Most would not see the reality of how the bird of prey numbers have been inflated by releases either by RSPB Members or by people who have done it with the knowledge of the RSPB.

So in my view we should work from both ends of this debate. Do all we can to make our sport known on a broad base and also challenge the image that is continually churned out by the supporters of some species of birds to the exclusion of others.

If, as is possible, our sport dies, the sad thing is that after a short while the affects of large numbers of birds of prey will become evident by the way that many prey species will die out. Of course there will be cries of habitat loss and blame attached to farmers and gamekeepers but the truth will remain. The song birds will have been eaten out of existence.

Most of us will have seen the changes in hunting strategies in some birds of prey already. Sparrow hawks now hunt their prey in the air and ride them to the ground and Goshawks, who once were regarded as shy birds that kept to the woodlands are now taking domestic poultry in the open. This year we have had falcons hunting pigeons below roof height and have been attacking them very near the lofts which is something new. I feel sure that as food for the birds of prey becomes even more difficult to find we will see even more changes to the hunting methods. Perhaps it is time that we explained what is happening to the Public so that questions can be asked about these things. At the moment these arguments are going on between Pigeon Fanciers, Farmers, Gamekeepers and the RSPB but as the prey species die out the Public must become involved because the welfare of all our wildlife is important.

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I have said it over and over again stop giving to charities and people will sit up.

how many charities give us credit in the tabloids for the money we

Denote every year NONE .tell the public that u want a cull on BOPS and the

RSPB will get their vote .don,t think for a moment we are the only ones that are

Fighting the RSPB to have a cull ( gamekeepers ,small bird lovers and us )I'm

Sure there is more .Sorry Im afraid our future is of gloom and doom .And all

That's beating us is MONEY? And people that can't agree.

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I have said it over and over again stop giving to charities and people will sit up.

how many charities give us credit in the tabloids for the money we

Denote every year NONE .tell the public that u want a cull on BOPS and the

RSPB will get their vote .don,t think for a moment we are the only ones that are

Fighting the RSPB to have a cull ( gamekeepers ,small bird lovers and us )I'm

Sure there is more .Sorry Im afraid our future is of gloom and doom .And all

That's beating us is MONEY? And people that can't agree.

 

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left the fancy ten years ago or so still the same moans and groans nothings changed do you think anything will change in the next ten years or so or will we still be moaning about the east or west or the bop situtation in the next ten years

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I have said it over and over again stop giving to charities and people will sit up.

how many charities give us credit in the tabloids for the money we

Denote every year NONE .tell the public that u want a cull on BOPS and the

RSPB will get their vote .don,t think for a moment we are the only ones that are

Fighting the RSPB to have a cull ( gamekeepers ,small bird lovers and us )I'm

Sure there is more .Sorry Im afraid our future is of gloom and doom .And all

That's beating us is MONEY? And people that can't agree.

 

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left the fancy ten years ago or so still the same moans and groans nothings changed do you think anything will change in the next ten years or so or will we still be moaning about the east or west or the bop situtation in the next ten years

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I think we should start by examining the way the sport is run. Anyone reading these Forums will draw conclusions from the way we present ourselves. If what they see is negative and complaining they will have a poor image of the sport. We need to do all we can to make the sport vibrant and show how much we work with the birds and show the reality of how much care and attention to detail goes into our efforts.

At one time people in this area were all aware of the sport and everybody knew what was going on. One of the most popular events in the year was the Annual Supper and even those who did not keep pigeons themselves would want to attend.

Work of this sort will result in the Sport gaining popularity and the knowledge of what we do and how we do it will spread. The General Public have been sold an image of what the RSPB do and believe that they champion the welfare of all birds. Most would not see the reality of how the bird of prey numbers have been inflated by releases either by RSPB Members or by people who have done it with the knowledge of the RSPB.

So in my view we should work from both ends of this debate. Do all we can to make our sport known on a broad base and also challenge the image that is continually churned out by the supporters of some species of birds to the exclusion of others.

If, as is possible, our sport dies, the sad thing is that after a short while the affects of large numbers of birds of prey will become evident by the way that many prey species will die out. Of course there will be cries of habitat loss and blame attached to farmers and gamekeepers but the truth will remain. The song birds will have been eaten out of existence.

Most of us will have seen the changes in hunting strategies in some birds of prey already. Sparrow hawks now hunt their prey in the air and ride them to the ground and Goshawks, who once were regarded as shy birds that kept to the woodlands are now taking domestic poultry in the open. This year we have had falcons hunting pigeons below roof height and have been attacking them very near the lofts which is something new. I feel sure that as food for the birds of prey becomes even more difficult to find we will see even more changes to the hunting methods. Perhaps it is time that we explained what is happening to the Public so that questions can be asked about these things. At the moment these arguments are going on between Pigeon Fanciers, Farmers, Gamekeepers and the RSPB but as the prey species die out the Public must become involved because the welfare of all our wildlife is important.

exactly owen the same thing i am talking about you never seen the goshawk because there was plenty to feed on the same applies to the red kite some on here think they just feed on carrion when there is no carrion about they will feed on anything eg pigeons, grouse , pheasant the list goes on

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for one thing we want to stop moaning on about bop cause we all know they are there and it wont change a thing, i have been a driver/ convoyer for six year now and allways strive to liberate in the best conditions with my race controller allways considarating the best weather for line of flight, allways in different weather you get bad races, it is wires in headwinds or overfly in fasty winds depending on direction, whatever the reason for losses the public somtimes land up with our birds and when they do they care for them and are interestyd and want to know more about a racing pigeon because they are facinated by their ability to home to theire home loft, in my time i have met many people with stray birds that have cared for themn and they say to me, do you think the owner will do away with the bird because it didnt make home, this seems to be their idea of us , that should be changed.somtimes when i release the doos i think its more of a survival than a race when you see velocities, i would dearly like flyers to tell of losses and susvivers and be truthfull wth returns but as you know people arnt like that, in the last three year we have had bluddy bad racing with losses wether it be mobile phone masts or bluddy wind generatoras i dont know but we pay our fees every year so the shu should be doing something about it?sorry about the long pst but i just got in from the ripon run and most of my day on the way home is repatriating strays which i dont mind doing by the way.atbest davy. <_<

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dave as you say we all moan about the bops, we have got to keep moaning about the bops if we dont there is nothing going to happen i m o

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for one thing we want to stop moaning on about bop cause we all know they are there and it wont change a thing, i have been a driver/ convoyer for six year now and allways strive to liberate in the best conditions with my race controller allways considarating the best weather for line of flight, allways in different weather you get bad races, it is wires in headwinds or overfly in fasty winds depending on direction, whatever the reason for losses the public somtimes land up with our birds and when they do they care for them and are interestyd and want to know more about a racing pigeon because they are facinated by their ability to home to theire home loft, in my time i have met many people with stray birds that have cared for themn and they say to me, do you think the owner will do away with the bird because it didnt make home, this seems to be their idea of us , that should be changed.somtimes when i release the doos i think its more of a survival than a race when you see velocities, i would dearly like flyers to tell of losses and susvivers and be truthfull wth returns but as you know people arnt like that, in the last three year we have had bluddy bad racing with losses wether it be mobile phone masts or bluddy wind generatoras i dont know but we pay our fees every year so the shu should be doing something about it?sorry about the long pst but i just got in from the ripon run and most of my day on the way home is repatriating strays which i dont mind doing by the way.atbest davy. <_<

Dave no matter what precautions you take the feeding of young b.o.p. and then the training of b.o.p.all centre around when they get the best meals .my young birds have only been trained and in the next week or two will be stopped .they will have a full moult and next year will get their six races .dont know how the doo men on here will react to this post .but one thing is for sure no hawks /falcons will be getting any more easy feasting from this loft . :animatedpigeons:

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sorry billy but next year as having no chance at a transporter then ime afraid your bonny y/birds will have a sghock at a liberation and that will have an effect on your returns, unraced y/birds in my opionion no matter how hard trained by the fancier in the year of birth if not given at least one transporter release is sow off the dyke, imo.

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sorry billy but next year as having no chance at a transporter then ime afraid your bonny y/birds will have a sghock at a liberation and that will have an effect on your returns, unraced y/birds in my opionion no matter how hard trained by the fancier in the year of birth if not given at least one transporter release is sow off the dyke, imo.

Dave that is the old way of thinking.and I don't want to upset you or start a slagging match but you are wrong m8 .

 

And can give you facts if you want (pm) and chat :animatedpigeons:

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ps, my own birds have open hole all year after racing, they are hand reared by us and have to learn the way of nature be it cats or bop, they soon learn and only the quicest of wit and watching and learning survive and personally thats the way i want it , if you lock them up for six month then theyre not fit and easy prey but hey each to their own . davie.

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ps, my own birds have open hole all year after racing, they are hand reared by us and have to learn the way of nature be it cats or bop, they soon learn and only the quicest of wit and watching and learning survive and personally thats the way i want it , if you lock them up for six month then theyre not fit and easy prey but hey each to their own . davie.

Sorry Dave think we are getting confused I never said anything about lock down my birds are on open loft and hopper feeding from 8 till late as I work BACKSHIFT .will pm you tomorrow if that is ok :animatedpigeons:

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I think that the whole subject of race returns and results should be examined. Whenever people talk about the race results they are talking about the birds that do the trip in a short time and never mention the bulk of the birds that couldn't make it. A lot of the races around here are not really races at all. They are endurance tests. To me a race is where the birds are released and complete the course and the result is decided on the quickest speed. These days the birds are released together and the difference between the speed of the winning birds and the also rans is huge. I think a lot of the blame lies with the fact that people are stupid enough to buy birds from non racing lofts who will tell them anything to get a sale. Then to make things worse all the birds in many lofts are bred from regardless of whether or not the parent stock has a proven track record. Now towards the end of the season I hear people say that they have stopped their birds because they need to have a team for next year. Some of these people have youngsters that have not raced a yard but they think they will be good for next year. I think that the quicker people realise that the old strain names mean nothing at all and that untrained and untested birds are just not worth the trouble of keeping them, the better. You only need to ask yourself how it is that some people lose their birds year after year in spite of spending a lot of money on stock most years while there are others who always manage to compete in the races and always have teams of birds ready for the following season. In my Club I hear people saying that they will send to the next two short races to give their late bred pigeons experience so that they will be able to race them as yearling next year. I don't know why they have not worked out that most of these pigeons will never make it through the season never mind win anything. The main reason will be because most of these later bred birds will be from the same parents that reared to older youngsters that have been lost. It is not rocket science. If you want to win pigeon races then for goodness sake get a few proven racers to breed the stock and leave the overpriced Fancy Dans where they are. At least if you know for sure that you have proven good birds you can identify the cause of your lack of results. The awful truth is that culprit will definitely be you and or your loft. So you will know what you have to do to improve, if you can face the truth.

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got to agree with billy on this one dave as i have been doing it past 4 years with great sucess m8

Thanks for the reply Walter was going to phone you to ask if it was ok to use your name as I know how your results have been with your L/B .

 

 

I know it's gone a bit off topic but the point I was trying to make was maybe a year or two with no young bird racing could help the sport :animatedpigeons:

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