Young Bird Sickness Natural Virus Or Man Made

[Guest chad3646]

read it in this weeks homing world page 41 mr p buttery rights about it, he thinks ybsickness is not a virus he believes it is a side it is a serious side effect from the paramyxo vaccine

avaccine does not discriminate between old, middle age and young of the species. lets talk about it as it relates to pigeons. they are different types of pigeon ,wood pigeon ,doves town pigeon,s

racing pigeons fantails etc. nevertheless they are all pigeons and none of the pigeons mentioned

would be immune from the virus such as young bird sickness if young bird sickness is a virus why dont wood pigeon,s doves and other types come down with it i think the answer is simple none of the other species are being injected each year with the paramyxo virus

 

what is your opinion

[TheHigg]

wattie boswell put up a good regarding ybs about a fortnight ago saying the exact same

[OLDYELLOW]

How about we throw GM feeds in to the mix ???? and if through vaccine then why aint we had it years ago ???? and don't vaccinated ybs still get it ????? and fluoride in water is harmful as well could it be the water ???? adding garden lime to water actually help ybs as a preventative

[Guest chad3646]

i hit the reply button to quick regarding mr buttery he states he has been in the pigeons 23 years and the ybs sickness has been around 28 years he cannot recall an out break of ybs in any pigeon family, other than the racing pigeon, in the 1980,s we were forced to inject our birds.

two years later young bird sickness arrived and has stayed.

 

i will add my threepence worth, i disagree with mr buttery on the wood pigeon and doves

 

the wood pigeon has a different make up regarding to feeding you wont see the racing pigeon gorging on clover, butter cups the red berries of the yew tree if aracing pigeon eat one of those berries it would be stone dead, so what i am trying to say is they are getting certain things out there in the fields to battle against these viruses

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[OLDYELLOW]

Wild birds do tend to find there cures in nature but the over use of medications to create false form haven't helped the once robust racing pigeon and now most are one step away from a junkie and unable to survive without a cupboard full of medication , hence why I have returned to the days of old if aint right then nature needs speeding up

[Guest chad3646]

wattie boswell put up a good regarding ybs about a fortnight ago saying the exact same

 

higg mr buttery says the serious effect will continue in our young birds for long as we inject them mr buttery wants to do away with it , walter states inject all your young when finished breeding

[Guest H@wkBait]

never had yb sickness in 5 years or our loft 30 years previous unnatural methods are to blame such as the darkness system imo

[lanarkshire lad]

never had yb sickness in 5 years or our loft 30 years previous unnatural methods are to blame such as the darkness system imo

Mate I get YBS every fecking year and I have never been on the darkness and my pigeons don't come from darkness pigeons its a virus Adeno virus is one which causes it and there are about 10 different strains of this virus that's why they cant make a vaccine for it . Circo virus is the other one which affects ybs I am told it is more serious than adeno, by the way some folk widnae know if they had YBS if it jumped up and bit them on the buttocks expletive remove.

[Guest chad3646]

Mate I get YBS every fecking year and I have never been on the darkness and my pigeons don't come from darkness pigeons its a virus Adeno virus is one which causes it and there are about 10 different strains of this virus that's why they cant make a vaccine for it . Circo virus is the other one which affects ybs I am told it is more serious than adeno, by the way some folk widnae know if they had YBS if it jumped up and bit them on the buttocks expletive remove.

 

you never said a truer word ,you can see them being sick all over the baskets

 

 

and they are still aloud to send them

[dava]

Mate I get YBS every fecking year and I have never been on the darkness and my pigeons don't come from darkness pigeons its a virus Adeno virus is one which causes it and there are about 10 different strains of this virus that's why they cant make a vaccine for it . Circo virus is the other one which affects ybs I am told it is more serious than adeno, by the way some folk widnae know if they had YBS if it jumped up and bit them on the buttocks expletive remove.

got to agree with you there. there plenty that dont notice it or are they just desperados that dont care that there spreading the problem

[Delboy]

Mate I get YBS every fecking year and I have never been on the darkness and my pigeons don't come from darkness pigeons its a virus Adeno virus is one which causes it and there are about 10 different strains of this virus that's why they cant make a vaccine for it . Circo virus is the other one which affects ybs I am told it is more serious than adeno, by the way some folk widnae know if they had YBS if it jumped up and bit them on the buttocks expletive remove.

 

 

spot on

[nogin]

got to agree with you there. there plenty that dont notice it or are they just desperados that dont care that there spreading the problem.

.but then again there not DOO MEN

[geordie1234]

Mate I get YBS every fecking year and I have never been on the darkness and my pigeons don't come from darkness pigeons its a virus Adeno virus is one which causes it and there are about 10 different strains of this virus that's why they cant make a vaccine for it . Circo virus is the other one which affects ybs I am told it is more serious than adeno, by the way some folk widnae know if they had YBS if it jumped up and bit them on the buttocks expletive remove.

 

 

100% correct Jim

[Guest geordiejen]

well im new to this infection and this is my first year noticing it.can i just point out that not only is ybs a virus it also has bacteria issues too mainly e-coli infection.i bet there are lots of people who have had this and never noticed it.myself being one of these people.the loft is a closed loft with nothing going out and no new birds coming in.all birds wintered well and were all in good condition.first round of squeekers early february were raised well,second round ive lost 7 squeekers in the nest out of 15.i dont know anything about getting it through jabbing the birds but is the needles getting sterilized correctly?every infection needs a window of oppertunity and does that oppertunity arise when we demand the birds immune system to trigger its defences against pmv when jagged?ive still to jag my birds but wont be doing it until the end of the summer.i dont race pigeons so i can do it a few weeks before the show season.just though i better mention that incase people think i race birds that are not jagged.

[Guest Owen]

Well I have no doubt that the gentleman who has expressed his opinion is highly qualified and has studied this subject in a professional way. I take my lead from Henk de Weerd who is highly qualified and has studied this subject thoroughly. Henk advises that the birds are vaccinated in the Autumn before they are paired up and the youngsters are vaccinated at weaning and again 4 weeks later. He claims that what we call YBS is mostly a version of Paramixo. I used to have a big problem with this disease but since taking Henk's advice I have not been troubled by it. In addition to the vaccinations I keep the young pigeons on deep litter so that they can benefit from the natural probiotics.

I reckon that if this disease where to infect the wild birds many would die but many would survive to build up immunity. Foxes get all the viral diseases that domestic dogs get but they survive because many of them have built up their immunity to the diseases. However, a lot of foxes die with these diseases. I am sure that a similar thing happens with Feral Pigeons. Many die of disease but there are always survivors.

I think this situation is similar to the situation in Wales regarding measles. Kids that have not been vaccinated are catching what is a dangerous disease and can be risking serious side effects and even death. On the other hand those that have received to vaccination are fine. The biggest problem we have is finding a vaccine that has been developed to target the viruses we have to deal with. Professional labs are not very interested in developing vaccines for pigeons because there is not much of a profit in it. An example of this is the fact that vaccines have been developed to protect chicken against cocci but the manufactures are not interested in providing similar protection for pigeons.

My concern is that people who think that vaccination is not needed will resort to the use of antibiotics which will cause us all big problems in the future.

So in conclusion I think that although everybody is entitled to their opinion, opinions from lay people who have not had the advantage of professional training in animal diseases are of limited value.

[walterboswell59]

guys the problem is not the vaccination if every bird in the loft is vaccinated at the same time then the birds must be kept in for 14 days untill it runs its course through the loft you will not get ybs like i have said before if you only jag your yb and not the ob the ob get adenovirus 2 this is carried back to your yb which gives them ybs and i can assure you if you put an unvaccinated streeter in beside you newly vaccinated birds it will get ybs dont know about the wood pigeons they are a diff species

[walterboswell59]

got to agree with you there. there plenty that dont notice it or are they just desperados that dont care that there spreading the problem

no dout thats a big part of it davy dont know if they just cant see a problem or they dont care but they are the ones in all clubs thats losing birds every week and putting us all at risk m8

[Guest chad3646]

true walter youv.e got to keep plugging it

 

the old saying ifyou keep throwing sh** at them some of it ,s got to stick

[Guest chad3646]

never had yb sickness in 5 years or our loft 30 years previous unnatural methods are to blame such as the darkness system imo

 

 

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[Guest geordiejen]

i sometimes wonder why we keep pigeons these days,always seems to be this isnt right or that need sorted.i wonder what the outcome would be if we never treated our birds for anything for say 5 years.just fresh water and clean seed,good scrape out of the loft twice a week.would we have a healthier pigeon?seems this young bird sickness can be non specific on the virus side.any type of virus can play this part even paramyxo.

[walterboswell59]

 

 

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rubbish i would not dream of putting pigeons on darkness and have had ybs loads of times and i fly natural to and if i dont forget what ive learned ill neaver get it again unless its from someone else but i have plans to combat that to if it works ill let the guys know

[walterboswell59]

100% correct Jim

thats very true m8 in fact there is no such thing as ybs this is another one the doo men thought up on there own my yb are sick hence ybs as jim says its adenovirus and when they have it there imune system is being attacked by everything that is going and its all coming out in the droppings and spread all over your loft on feet hands clothes scrappers drinkers and it maybe airbourne into the bargain

[peter pandy]

Since 1975 my birds have been on straw deep litter cleaned out at the end of the moult and replaced same day, will repeat myself, my birds have never had YBS. This will be my first year cleaning out daily and should I be unfortunate to contract it I will have them back on deep litter till the end of my days.

[walterboswell59]

Since 1975 my birds have been on straw deep litter cleaned out at the end of the moult and replaced same day, will repeat myself, my birds have never had YBS. This will be my first year cleaning out daily and should I be unfortunate to contract it I will have them back on deep litter till the end of my days.

me to peter never tried straw was allways worried about getting a mouse problem i use easy bed just now m8 but have to have drinkers high up but allways willing to try something different

[Guest geordiejen]

does anybody know when this young bird sickness was first seen?do you think this is an infection that the birds carry or is it when its in the loft its hard to shift?this is a new thing to me but it seems its been around for a long time.also when was it first noticed in the uk our birds get paramyxovirus?