dal2 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Do you think she wasnt into fox hunting as well, didnt deter them getting that bannedHow will they police a pigeon ban? What happens to the racers when they aint required?do the PETA members put them oot tae the wild???The hatred for these people is clear to see worldwide!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 How will they police a pigeon ban? What happens to the racers when they aint required?do the PETA members put them oot tae the wild???The hatred for these people is clear to see worldwide!!naw they kill them thats what they dae way all the dugs n cats steve they say its better tae be deed than a kept pet ,, sicko bassas so they are , they want us all tae munch lettuce :emoticon-0138-thinking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Its not all doom and gloom in today's papers Been told to check out the Times page 25-apparently a great article on man's relationship with pigeon and pigeon's relationship with man through the ages. That's what a lot of these nutters choose to bypass. Fanciers actually like pigeons and get very attached to them. These are birds that have reduced grown men to tears with their efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Its not all doom and gloom in today's papers Been told to check out the Times page 25-apparently a great article on man's relationship with pigeon and pigeon's relationship with man through the ages. That's what a lot of these nutters choose to bypass. Fanciers actually like pigeons and get very attached to them. These are birds that have reduced grown men to tears with their efforts. They have certainly have had an impact on my hairline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 They have certainly have had an impact on my hairline :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Its not all doom and gloom in today's papers Been told to check out the Times page 25-apparently a great article on man's relationship with pigeon and pigeon's relationship with man through the ages. That's what a lot of these nutters choose to bypass. Fanciers actually like pigeons and get very attached to them. These are birds that have reduced grown men to tears with their efforts. Just realised this has already been mentioned Am away to ma bed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest homestead Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 DO NOT INGNORE THESE CLOWNS. i have just read a right load of crap these people are spouting (the birds being transpoted for seven days, millions of pounds being bet and 90 per cent not returning and sending them 900 miles) and they have an online petition for people to sign for some minister. It might not happen this year or next but something will come of this. Have a look at this rubbish.............acttion.peta.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil01825 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 This PETA Article has been a long time coming. I've thought they would start for quite a while as they don't like anyone keeping animals for pleasure. When you read the article on line and watch the accompanying videos we have little defence As a whole they are pretty much reflect what has been happening in the sport, gambling and duration in the transporter excepted. Guys with responsible positions in the racing fraternity have admitted the losses, largely blaming the channel. Guys online have shown how fanciers cull the birds and we can't deny selection at the end of the season, if there is a surplus of birds in the loft. Someone's going to have to be very clever with the defence. It's probably not only PETA, but the RSPCA we need to worry about because with 40,000 fanciers all with lofts in the back garden it could get pretty awkward as we are a large community easily policed. I packed up a few years ago and after taking my two teenagers to Blackpool for the 1st time this year (myself included) I am looking forward to getting back to pigeons later this year. I really hope this doesn't take hold and destroy a wonderful sport. I've got to be honest, living in the south, I've rarely raced the channel and always preferred North road racing, if it was available, as I never liked the thought of my birds getting into trouble over it and seeing the video with loads of pigeons trying to get off the water wasn't particularly good pr for channel racing. PETA and the RSPCA need dealing with quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted March 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I am foreseeing our transporters being stopped and checked out for every thing imaginable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I am foreseeing our transporters being stopped and checked out for every thing imaginable. Yes Peter and this is a reason in itself that all organisations must use the best transportation available to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted March 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Yes Peter and this is a reason in itself that all organisations must use the best transportation available to them Totally concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter swanston Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 The question of the transporters is currently the most vital part of this whole discussion.The transporters have got to be spot on with no overcrowding and all birds must have access to food and water also the very best weather forecasts must be obtained, holdovers must be avoided where possible and in the event of a prolonged poor weather forecast races cancelled.All birds must be vaccinated (they should be anyway) and the convoyer must have the necessary documentation.Believe me if they stop a transporter they will go through it with a fine tooth comb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil01825 Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 A little bit of light, maybe, in a darkening tunnel. The BBC have had a reporter looking into the arguements of PETA. It's conclusion at the end includes a statement from the RSPCA that they feel this is not their territory. So just PETA pushing for the ban at the present time! Although no one, in high office can afford to ignore this, maybe there will be a few good years at least to continue enjoying our sport. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21938429 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Didn't want to cloud issues but PETA are an American organisation and have caused problems for AU for years. Racing pigeons over there is completely different to racing pigeons here in the UK. Here, whether we like it or not, pigeon racing is authorised by the UK and devolved Governments - we do it under Licence. It is these Governements - not doogooders and certainly not PETA - which have banned cruel sports like fox hunting, and other practices widely seen as uqually barbaric like using snares and certain types of traps to catch wild animals, and this has been done largely to reflect public opinion of the time. So Government has banned cruel sports, but as it licences pigeon racing it follows that is not seen as cruel - and it is up to all pigeon fanciers to make sure that it stays that way by behaving at all times in a way which does not bring pigeon racing into disrepute, nor attract unwelcome public attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I've always hated that cant bobby PETA , now I know why . , :emoticon-0127-lipssealed: and just a wee warning to all is to be very carefull if someone comes to your club hut I'm interested in starting pigeons and starts asking odd questions , could be these fkn clowns under cover . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
301lofts Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I hope them so called pigeon fanciers who allowed themselfs TO be filmed in the video clip have done the sport a lot of bad publisty And should be ashamed of what they have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil01825 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 So Government has banned cruel sports, but as it licences pigeon racing it follows that is not seen as cruel - But the Government doesn't know how pigeon racing works. If it's eyes are opened by these accusations and supporting videos and they see a vote winner to get some of the tree hugging voters on side they might review licensing, however, they have bigger problems to deal with at the moment. Common sense says it will be a long time before any action takes palace, if at all, but the same was said in the Fox Hunting fraternity and look how quickly that became law and there is little sign of any reversal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 But the Government doesn't know how pigeon racing works. If it's eyes are opened by these accusations and supporting videos and they see a vote winner to get some of the tree hugging voters on side they might review licensing, however, they have bigger problems to deal with at the moment. Common sense says it will be a long time before any action takes palace, if at all, but the same was said in the Fox Hunting fraternity and look how quickly that became law and there is little sign of any reversal.aye and prob now most would allow it as these things/foxes are causing carnage accross the country , everywhere you go in towns and city,s you see them .fkn menaces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cawdy Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 the point isif it ever came to Parliament and the government looked at all the facts and made an informed decision on the evidence like there supposed to there would be no problem but that's not how the government work they will make the decision that profits them the most and suits there own purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter swanston Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 There is an article in theObserver magazine about PETA and its founder Ingrid Newmark .well worth a read, she is 63years old and has been a animal advocate (fanatic) all her life with an enormous following in America, she claims to have been instrumental in halting the fur trade in Europe and the States.She gets up to all sorts of tricks and is quite single minded in he pursuit of what she sees as animal a users,she once went into a fashionable restaurant in Manhattan and threw a dead racoon on the table in front of a fashion columnist who promptly covered the animal with a napkin and called for coffee.Newmark then was escorted from the restaurant to the accompaniment oh TV cameras etc.I have changed my mind on this a wee bit and I do not think PETA is as big a threat to the pigeon fancy as I at first thought but they will still bear watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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