Snfc Transportation For 2013

[walterboswell59]

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blind bassa lol

[dkj]

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ok u win

[Delboy]

ok u win

 

Didny know there was a contest here. We are disgussing the best transportation for the SNFC , no hidden agendas, no tongue in cheek, no innuendo,just honest opinions. Transparency in the pigeon game has been sadly missing for several years now.Dont you agree Davy

[dkj]

Didny know there was a contest here.We are disgussing the best transportation for the SNFC , no hidden agendas, no tongue in cheek, no innuendo just honest opinions. Transparency in the pigeon game has been sadly missing for several years now.

 

i agree. so lets hope the people in charge of getting the transport for the snfc doo.s are not getting swayed with these posts.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

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[Henrik]

one step at a time del, let the member decide at the agm 1st.

Was there not a vote taken by John Houston at the AGM 2 years ago, Crates v Wicker Baskets?

[tiger]

first off all is the welfare of the birds and whats best for them that counts

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Was there not a vote taken by John Houston at the AGM 2 years ago, Crates v Wicker Baskets?

The vote was close and it was for that year only, and only for the Gold cup race, however had there been a modern type of Geraldy transportation available for ALL RACES, then I'm sure the outcome would have been different, after all, why should one race be given priority and use top quality transportation to revert back to outdated methods of transportation for the other 6 races. JMO

 

The SNFC committees in the past has agreed to use the modern type of transportation, but the federation that was approached would not hire there vehicle which was down to down to driver issues.

[Guest IB]

Was there not a vote taken by John Houston at the AGM 2 years ago, Crates v Wicker Baskets?

 

I think there might have been misunderstanding on that one. That vote was specifically on the Almond Valley Fed's offer to transport pigeons to the Gold Cup race that year, by Geraldy. It was voted down. But it applied to 1 race in 1 year, and was not a general vote covering every race for the future.

 

If so it would have put SNFC in a time warp standing still in the face of any modernisation - and the legal requirements for the transportation of pigeons. Our birds go to countries where temperatures are 30 degrees C and over, yet we do not provide them with a temperature controlled environment or forced ventilation on the stationery transporter. Not to mention the dust that escapes through the hessian bottom into the basket below every time a pigeon moves, and the dust that escapes from the top of the wicker baskets into the transporter environment.

[Delboy]

Was there not a vote taken by John Houston at the AGM 2 years ago, Crates v Wicker Baskets?

 

Wrong Bobby, one race only, the Gold cup.I actually asked for a recount because it was that close.It was passed at this years AGM that the transportation be put out to tender.That means, any transportation would be considered.( even if it was a transit van )The best is wanted for the best birds and also, its a wee bonus if you get a good deal out of it.( saving money)

[Delboy]

I think there might have been misunderstanding on that one. That vote was specifically on the Almond Valley Fed's offer to transport pigeons to the Gold Cup race that year, by Geraldy. It was voted down. But it applied to 1 race in 1 year, and was not a general vote covering every race for the future.

 

If so it would have put SNFC in a time warp standing still in the face of any modernisation - and the legal requirements for the transportation of pigeons. Our birds go to countries where temperatures are 30 degrees and over, yet we do not provide them with a temperature controlled environment or forced ventilation on the stationery transporter. Not to mention the dust that escapes through the hessian bottom into the basket below every time a pigeon moves, and the dust that escapes from the top of the wicker baskets into the transporter environment.

 

 

A very sensible post

[Delboy]

I can tell you this, if the SNFC even contemplate using transportation that is of a lesser standard than what is available to them, there will be some major repercussions.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I can tell you this, if the SNFC even contemplate using transportation that is of a lesser standard than what is available to them, there will be some major repercussions.

 

From this thread alone it seems as if people's perceptions of good standards are very different

[Delboy]

From this thread alone it seems as if people's perceptions of good standards are very different

 

Do you know what the convoyer has had to do to water/feed the pigeons in recent years? He has to pull out all the baskets ( what if its raining ) to get into the corridor to put the drinkers on.He then pushes baskets back in.When the Midland fed transporter was first used, I was on the committee and complained about this.I was told a hydrolic arm was being made for the transporter so the baskets could be brought out in a few seconds.Was it ever done,NO.expletive remove, what kind of set up is this for transporting pigeons????? imo, one of the worst set ups ive ever seen in 40 years keeping pigeons.

[Guest stb-]

i know it is out to tender but when at work and put tenders in its normally the cheapest option picked 99 times from 100

[Delboy]

i know it is out to tender but when at work and put tenders in its normally the cheapest option picked 99 times from 100

Well LF are in with a real shout then Rab, they tick all the boxes imo

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

From this thread alone it seems as if people's perceptions of good standards are very different

then again there will be those that still prefer there 20" black and white TV to my 50 inch HD LCD TV.

It amounts to some fanciers living in the dark ages.

[dal2]

then again there will be those that still prefer there 20" black and white TV to my 50 inch HD LCD TV.

It amounts to some fanciers living in the dark ages.

Depends on which make and model really!!!..........the tv I mean????

[JADE]

then again there will be those that still prefer there 20" black and white TV to my 50 inch HD LCD TV.

It amounts to some fanciers living in the dark ages.

 

 

The dark ages being when the national sent 7000+ pigeons to Rennes on a Catterall transporter in wicker baskets on shavings. Don't remember any complaints about drinkers, ventilation etc then and not many bad races either and we didn't chop and change race points every year. Anyway back to the rugby for those of you with black and white tv Ireland are in the light grey

[Henrik]

Just out of curiosity what are the dimensions of these Geraldy crates, are they the same size as the wicker baskets that are used just now?

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

The dark ages being when the national sent 7000+ pigeons to Rennes on a Catterall transporter in wicker baskets on shavings. Don't remember any complaints about drinkers, ventilation etc then and not many bad races either and we didn't chop and change race points every year. Anyway back to the rugby for those of you with black and white tv Ireland are in the light grey

Problem nowadays is that the sport is riddled with diseases, 99% of pigeons don't have the constitution to deal with the stress that is put apon. Using modern methods of transportation you are then limiting diseases that can be spread from pigeon to pigeon and more so basket to basket / crate to crate. Are pigeons not better being in crates that are 4 inches wider that the old basket thus more access to water ???

 

Ps

Hope you got a Good picture with the coat hanger as a Ariel on your B& W tv. Lol

[JADE]

Problem nowadays is that the sport is riddled with diseases, 99% of pigeons don't have the constitution to deal with the stress that is put apon. Using modern methods of transportation you are then limiting diseases that can be spread from pigeon to pigeon and more so basket to basket / crate to crate. Are pigeons not better being in crates that are 4 inches wider that the old basket thus more access to water ???

 

Ps

Hope you got a Good picture with the coat hanger as a Ariel on your B& W tv. Lol

 

Will be interesting to see how your federation fares with state of the art transport this year. It will be one less excuse for a bad race.

 

PS I was hanging out the window with the coat hanger and I got a great view of the neighbours 50" LCD telly

[knoxjn]

the almond valley motor has a feed trough which is hinged onto the wter trough so you simply flip it over feed them then flip it back up to water them seperate troughs simples i will say that the the birds love it in the transporter they can see out of the baskets when you lift the shutters long before the lib better than looking at a plywood or wicker door the crates being aluminium means no nasties hiding in the nook and crannys crates are easily cleaned which happens every week

[knoxjn]

the alluminium crates we use are bigger and deeper than the wicker ones the design means the the entire length of the crate is availiable for the birds

[Delboy]

the alluminium crates we use are bigger and deeper than the wicker ones the design means the the entire length of the crate is availiable for the birds

Your right m8.Ive been a member of the SNFC for over 40 years and I would never endorse anything that is detrimental to our pigeons.I was initially against Geraldys as I thought they looked very clinical and uncomfortable for our pigeons but after using them, I was very surprised at how beneficial they are to racing pigeons.Make no mistake, I speak only on facts and no hidden agendas with me.