Shu Ets Guidance

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I have had a look at the last 2 years results for my club and no result would have changed if the 2nd place doo was ETS instead of rubber ring timing.

 

A guid doo will be at the sharp regardless.

[billt]

yes your correct, lol.

 

this was the e-mail i sent

 

Hi Linda,

 

Is there definitive rule that applies to where ets traps are fitted and what design they should meet please. There is still a lot of confusion regarding this. I,m in the process of making loft accessories for fanciers, and this topic raises its head on a daily basis. Can you please advise.

 

kind regards alex

 

still not got the answer lol lol

 

Alex, I'm sure if you make the spuniks or whatever type of trap/entrance with facility for the pad on the inside of bobs or drop in you cannot be wrong

[alex wight]

Cheers guys, if i get any more clearer info, i,ll post it up. atb best to u all, alex.

 

thats the problem alex they dont know there self linda told me years ago to be fair bird should be trapped then its not oppen to peoples interpretation if snfc come to verify or enyone in club objects i know you are only trying to keep youre self right alex thats why i said for you to check m8 and you have done that fair play to you but now you see the problem its very grey but i hope you do well in youre venture all the stuff looks great keep it coming and good luck

 

 

Thanks again mucker, altb, alex

[walterboswell59]

as said probably the bird dont have to be confined , but then who would want a bird to fly out after timing, suppose this is to allow open dore flying maybe,

point is fifer bird should enter loft and time not time then enter loft shu did not make it clear on this there alex has asked and still did not get a clear anser but the man did all he could do to find out this will only be solved when someone objects and loses arace or big money and it goes to council

[THE FIFER]

point is fifer bird should enter loft and time not time then enter loft shu did not make it clear on this there alex has asked and still did not get a clear anser but the man did all he could do to find out this will only be solved when someone objects and loses arace or big money and it goes to council

 

the bird must be in the loft when timed, a sputnik, if you have the antenna fixed under the floor the bird drops into the sputnik and times, the bird is timed in the loft, one rule which is rule 4, timing systems must be fitted within the loft, is confusing as rule 11 says ETS can only record the arrival time after the pigeon has entered the loft, I think the latter fits the rule, its the bird which must be in the loft when timed, as said above using a sputnik, would be ok, as the bird is in the loft when timed,

[geordie1234]

See if the pad is behind the face off the loft imo it's timed in and fine but when a pigeon lands on the board and it's timed then that's no right

[peter pandy]

I was a member of the SHU rules committee when ETS trapping was discussed and the outcome was, the pad must be fixed and sealed to the inside of the loft to the satisfaction of an appointed person within the club and seal number to be noted and held within the club. This situation raised the subject of stall trapping where the bird is being caught and rubber removed outside the loft. The general concensus was this problem to be left in abeyance and we moved on.

[walterboswell59]

I was a member of the SHU rules committee when ETS trapping was discussed and the outcome was, the pad must be fixed and sealed to the inside of the loft to the satisfaction of an appointed person within the club and seal number to be noted and held within the club. This situation raised the subject of stall trapping where the bird is being caught and rubber removed outside the loft. The general concensus was this problem to be left in abeyance and we moved on.

so your tae blame for all this lol

[walterboswell59]

the bird must be in the loft when timed, a sputnik, if you have the antenna fixed under the floor the bird drops into the sputnik and times, the bird is timed in the loft, one rule which is rule 4, timing systems must be fitted within the loft, is confusing as rule 11 says ETS can only record the arrival time after the pigeon has entered the loft, I think the latter fits the rule, its the bird which must be in the loft when timed, as said above using a sputnik, would be ok, as the bird is in the loft when timed,

thankyou fifer for finding that rule i thought i was going off my head rule 11 entered the loft it does not say timed in then enter the loft so anyone with these traps are wide open for objection

[walterboswell59]

See if the pad is behind the face off the loft imo it's timed in and fine but when a pigeon lands on the board and it's timed then that's no right

and that all im saying m8 the way some guys have it the bird can land right on the board theve just moved the goal posts back a bit to get round it iwould like to see what snfc comitee think

[Guest bigda]

Take two

useing the type of trap cut a piece of plywood the same inner size of the spunic place the plywood onto a 2"x1" tile batten framing sit pads underneath the 1/4 inch plywood sheeting this will keep it clean and also it can be removed till next race

[Guest bigda]

I don't have ETS but can see no reason why the pigeon should be trapped at the end of the day the pigeon flew the race and crossed the finish line

 

 

george if you had 2 poolers in an open race, and you let one out, while awaiting the other what is your chance of getting your second pigeon in quick enough to score

[William Reid]

useing the type of trap cut a piece of plywood the same inner size of the spunic place the plywood onto a 2"x1" tile batten framing sit pads underneath the 1/4 inch plywood sheeting this will keep it clean and also it can be removed till next race

Look at my photo false floor and pad in front of the two holes

[HOMER49]

and that all im saying m8 the way some guys have it the bird can land right on the board theve just moved the goal posts back a bit to get round it iwould like to see what snfc comitee think

 

Hi

Have just installed a Petron trap as showen are you saying

this trap is not legal Advert says designed for Unikon ETS

[Guest bigda]

Hi

Have just installed a Petron trap as showen are you saying

this trap is not legal Advert says designed for Unikon ETS

think with that type homer the birds can be paded under the tunnel part not the landing part

[Guest bigda]

Hi

Have just installed a Petron trap as showen are you saying

this trap is not legal Advert says designed for Unikon ETS

 

 

you should know this homer you have been to a few one loft races abroad

[HOMER49]

think with that type homer the birds can be paded under the tunnel part not the landing part

 

Hi Danny

Yes the bird has to enter the tunnel where it is timed which is inside

the loft but it can also turn about and go outside again

Cant believe Petron would sell a product that was not legal

Here for the pilgrims our Danny

Cheers

Homer 49

[JohnQuinn]

Hi

Have just installed a Petron trap as showen are you saying

this trap is not legal Advert says designed for Unikon ETS

 

 

IMO Alex, if your pigeon is timed in as soon as it steps into one of the Arch entry points, it would not be a "legal" time in. If however the doos have to walk through bob wires on the inside of the trap before crosing the Pad then it would be "legal".

My interpretation of the rules is that the bird must cross the "threshhold" of the loft, in other words have crossed the Frame Work or front wall of the loft.

Maybe a better way to say it is if you had a Brick built loft the doo would need to cross the width of the brick then onto the pad to be timed in "legally". As i said this is my own interpretation of the rules and may stand to be corrected, but i doubt that. Cheers John.

[walterboswell59]

Hi

Have just installed a Petron trap as showen are you saying

this trap is not legal Advert says designed for Unikon ETS

cant see the pad alex but if your bird can time then walk out then it should not be legal as its timing before entering the loft this trap was objected to by someone in letters page in homing world when petron brought them out dont know if they modified them

[HOMER49]

IMO Alex, if your pigeon is timed in as soon as it steps into one of the Arch entry points, it would not be a "legal" time in. If however the doos have to walk through bob wires on the inside of the trap before crosing the Pad then it would be "legal".

My interpretation of the rules is that the bird must cross the "threshhold" of the loft, in other words have crossed the Frame Work or front wall of the loft.

Maybe a better way to say it is if you had a Brick built loft the doo would need to cross the width of the brick then onto the pad to be timed in "legally". As i said this is my own interpretation of the rules and may stand to be corrected, but i doubt that. Cheers John.

 

Hi John

So your are saying as President OF LANARKSHIRE Federation

that Petron have sold me an trap that is not legal

Cheers

Homer 49

[walterboswell59]

IMO Alex, if your pigeon is timed in as soon as it steps into one of the Arch entry points, it would not be a "legal" time in. If however the doos have to walk through bob wires on the inside of the trap before crosing the Pad then it would be "legal".

My interpretation of the rules is that the bird must cross the "threshhold" of the loft, in other words have crossed the Frame Work or front wall of the loft.

Maybe a better way to say it is if you had a Brick built loft the doo would need to cross the width of the brick then onto the pad to be timed in "legally". As i said this is my own interpretation of the rules and may stand to be corrected, but i doubt that. Cheers John.

mine to john rule 11 ets shu birds can only record when it has enterd the loft

[William Reid]

Hi

Have just installed a Petron trap as showen are you saying

this trap is not legal Advert says designed for Unikon ETS

This trap should be landing board bob wires entry holes then ets pad

[HOMER49]

mine to john rule 11 ets shu birds can only record when it has enterd the loft

 

Hi

YES but the pads are in the loft OK only 2 inches

but still inside the loft

Cheers

Homer 49

[walterboswell59]

mine to john rule 11 ets shu birds can only record when it has enterd the loft

ps and if i remember right petron were told this trap would not be legal in scotland

[billt]

IMO Alex, if your pigeon is timed in as soon as it steps into one of the Arch entry points, it would not be a "legal" time in. If however the doos have to walk through bob wires on the inside of the trap before crosing the Pad then it would be "legal".

My interpretation of the rules is that the bird must cross the "threshhold" of the loft, in other words have crossed the Frame Work or front wall of the loft.

Maybe a better way to say it is if you had a Brick built loft the doo would need to cross the width of the brick then onto the pad to be timed in "legally". As i said this is my own interpretation of the rules and may stand to be corrected, but i doubt that. Cheers John.

 

I don't think you are right there John, The confines of the loft include traps, if you had a trap 6 foot extending from the front of the loft it would be OK as long as the bird was trapped on entering, but I must say the SHU and the RPRA have poorly worded the rules on this point as it is open for discussion. The WHU rules state The ring may not be read before the bird is confined within the loft, Oxford English dictionary on Confine, Keep shut up