Young Bird National

[VMS]

As someone stated earlier on here, "simples". Train yer bird tae fly dog-legs, n they will fly dog-legs.

 

Train them tae fly straight lines, then maybe ye hae a chance, thousands o birds entered, only one can win

 

Course ye can always move tae the coast n make it easy

Nice to see East cost fanciers reconize the the West pigeons have to fly a dog leg. :lol:

[alex wight]

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[JADE]

Nice to see East cost fanciers reconize the the West pigeons have to fly a dog leg. :lol:

 

We recognise they do fly a dog leg mainly cos they are trained that way. Geordie said he would like to see racepoints on the line of flight from Ypres and I asked which race points. Still waitin. Straight line fae Aberdeen to Ypres the national would need to hire a boat

[VMS]

We recognise they do fly a dog leg mainly cos they are trained that way. Geordie said he would like to see racepoints on the line of flight from Ypres and I asked which race points. Still waitin. Straight line fae Aberdeen to Ypres the national would need to hire a boat

My young birds were trained and flew the West route last year they still came out the East. :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[geordie1234]

We recognise they do fly a dog leg mainly cos they are trained that way. Geordie said he would like to see racepoints on the line of flight from Ypres and I asked which race points. Still waitin. Straight line fae Aberdeen to Ypres the national would need to hire a boat

Sorry im talking same line of flight as ypres to central scotland! not aberdeen racepoints could be any on that line pretty sure there is racepoints that can be used however never gonny happen is it? That would would be too fair

[JADE]

Sorry im talking same line of flight as ypres to central scotland! not aberdeen racepoints could be any on that line pretty sure there is racepoints that can be used however never gonny happen is it? That would would be too fair

 

I know was just at the wind up. Not had time to look at a map but I think you would find the line is no far off where we are goin just now. Anyway I think a lot of the birds will cross into England fairly far south so the East birds would be dog legging a bit. Mmm...maybe thats why the west guys like Ypres

[geordie1234]

Yeah maybe ypres does always give a gd race in the west

[Guest Cawdy]

I know was just at the wind up. Not had time to look at a map but I think you would find the line is no far off where we are goin just now. Anyway I think a lot of the birds will cross into England fairly far south so the East birds would be dog legging a bit. Mmm...maybe thats why the west guys like Ypres

 

 

jade how far south do you mean? calais looks like the shortest crossing?

 

[Guest stb-]

My young birds were trained and flew the West route last year they still came out the East. :emoticon-0138-thinking:

The hills are the probs vinnce on the west route our birds 9/10 came from the south since i kept pigeons , but with all the ambushes the birds started to go further and further east and come in up edinburgh side and along the forth making them come from north east . We didint train them that way they done it them selves rather than face the hills . They were comming that way long before we turned east so no need to train dog leg .

 

By racing east it helps the guys further west as they are getting a lot better overfly than they did on the west route and to be honest racing is pretty reasonable untill over the pennines then its either stay on the coast and come up east or face cutting through the hills to fly straight , not many face the hills they know whats in there from an early age

[Guest stb-]

jade how far south do you mean? calais looks like the shortest crossing?

 

theres the answer , to fly that line the birds wold needto fly through all the major mountain ranges in england and scotland which are infested with B O P just looking at that if i were a pigeon i would go up east of the pennines myself rather that fly through some of those areas . Also to fly that route they ould need to break from the main convoy right at the start of race to hold line , very doubtfull breaking at start they would prob go well up englands east side before breaking

[Guest Cawdy]

dont see how the guys in the west are helped by the doos coming from the east

 

as lofts on the same longitude would get inadiquite overfly and the easterly loft would get the birds first

 

 

or am i missing something ???

[Guest stb-]

dont see how the guys in the west are helped by the doos coming from the east

 

as lofts on the same longitude would get inadiquite overfly and the easterly loft would get the birds first

 

 

or am i missing something ???

from the east in some races we get 40 odd miles from the bottom east corner from westerly races it can be only 17 miles etc , it help slightly with the birds comming from the east regarding distance flow but does not compensate for the overall added milage .

[Guest bigda]

from the east in some races we get 40 odd miles from the bottom east corner from westerly races it can be only 17 miles etc , it help slightly with the birds comming from the east regarding distance flow but does not compensate for the overall added milage .

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the national should have a race from belmullet in west coast of ireland with this race there is no dog legging there is nothing in the way of racing pigeons if its a west wind all birds have west winds, if its a east wind all birds have a east wind perfect for all

the mesurments are correct to every ones loft from belullet to glasgow is 254mile

to edinburgh it is the correct distance of 294 mile to carlise it is 287 mile

and to aberdeen it is 368 mile the birds would have most weeks the tail wind and the hawks would have less chance of getting birds there are no ambush valleys that they sit and wait on our birds to go through, any one that cant see this as the most favourably route to fly birds in aint got the bird best interest at

heart and would you agre that the distance to aberdeen to glasgow was 105 mile

[VMS]

dont see how the guys in the west are helped by the doos coming from the east

 

as lofts on the same longitude would get inadiquite overfly and the easterly loft would get the birds first

 

 

or am i missing something ???

when taking into consideration the route the birds take today an Easterly race point gives us in the West a fairer measurement.

[JADE]

Sorry im talking same line of flight as ypres to central scotland! not aberdeen racepoints could be any on that line pretty sure there is racepoints that can be used however never gonny happen is it? That would would be too fair

 

It has been tried a number of times to change the first inland race(Newbury) to Wanstead Flats but it is always outvoted I think by the west and south members

[geordie1234]

Aw well one things for sure doo men don't like change or the majority of them.

 

Maybe I'll just stick to fed racing lol

[dal2]

It has been tried a number of times to change the first inland race(Newbury) to Wanstead Flats but it is always outvoted I think by the west and south members

Strange that the west would vote out a more easterly racepoint when you read that they want more easterly racepoints? Can see why the south would not want to go east cos we fly west?? and we already have an easterly inland nat?

 

Also looking to the gold cup, a race which newbury is meant to be the setup for, is bang on line with newbury?

[Guest stb-]

Strange that the west would vote out a more easterly racepoint when you read that they want more easterly racepoints? Can see why the south would not want to go east cos we fly west?? and we already have an easterly inland nat?

 

Also looking to the gold cup, a race which newbury is meant to be the setup for, is bang on line with newbury?

canny see the west wanting tae loose milage steve the further east the better .

[Guest bigda]

sometimes you have to take bad tasting medicine to make things better, there where nose bleeds at the thought of 300 birds going with the national from the one bird race but after hearing the squeals and screams from one eyed jacks they have decided to keep the peace they will fly with the UNC IT just shows you how the

pigeon men that think they have the advantage soon change there tune, when there is a threat to there positions as they have made it quite clear ,they do all know there are advantages but as the guys in the west have said all along but there is no squealing and screaming over in jacks land from anyone to give them a break.

if it was up to me it would be Ireland that the races are from or from Oslo no fecking about as it would be for distance bird racing even if it meant sending a transit van

as i would not put up with allowing a sprint bird to make a mockery of a distance bird .there are loads of races for short flying. the old timers would have hit you a slap if you had insulted there integrity who is man enough out there to admit i am right.

[Guest stb-]

the fairest races to all would be as Walter says oot of oslo , but dont know if many would have the bottle for that

[aye ready]

What was the wind for ypres in 2012 just had alook at the result on the snfc website and the winners of sections a,b,c,d,e,f were all in the top 18 of the open result

[Guest bigda]

the fairest races to all would be as Walter says oot of Oslo , but don't know if many would have the bottle for that

it would nothing to do with bottle it would be to breed a bird that could do it

the fancyer don't need to clap his wings it is about time you started and stood up and told every one that this is why you joined the national you pay the same money but let other mouths shoot you down you ruined the combines so get out on yer own and dont ruin the nat

 

the fairest races to all would be as Walter says oot of Oslo , but don't know if many would have the bottle for that

it would nothing to do with bottle it would be to breed a bird that could do it

the fancyer don't need to clap his wings it is about time you started and stood up and told every one that this is why you joined the national you pay the same money but let other mouths shoot you down you ruined the combines so get out on yer own and dont ruin the nat

[JADE]

sometimes you have to take bad tasting medicine to make things better, there where nose bleeds at the thought of 300 birds going with the national from the one bird race but after hearing the squeals and screams from one eyed jacks they have decided to keep the peace they will fly with the UNC IT just shows you how the

pigeon men that think they have the advantage soon change there tune, when there is a threat to there positions as they have made it quite clear ,they do all know there are advantages but as the guys in the west have said all along but there is no squealing and screaming over in jacks land from anyone to give them a break.

if it was up to me it would be Ireland that the races are from or from Oslo no fecking about as it would be for distance bird racing even if it meant sending a transit van

as i would not put up with allowing a sprint bird to make a mockery of a distance bird .there are loads of races for short flying. the old timers would have hit you a slap if you had insulted there integrity who is man enough out there to admit i am right.

 

wouldnae mind a pint o what your on. From what i`ve been told you would struggle to time in fae Irvine never mind Ireland. Come back when you time in fae Tours in race time

[Guest bigda]

wouldnae mind a pint o what your on. From what i`ve been told you would struggle to time in fae Irvine never mind Ireland. Come back when you time in fae Tours in race time

still waiting on you telling me where i can get birds that can fly 500 mile inside 8hour 50 min remember

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Liege in Belgium looks to have been the most spread Gold Cup race this century.

 

1st Section C

2nd Section A

3rd Section B

5th Section F

7th Section E

9th Section D

57th Section G

 

Not saying its the way to go or not.Would like to see a bit of stability regardless of whats chosen-three gold cup racepoints in three years is a bit of a nonsense