Shows,A New Criteria

[DJWa]

with all this discussion about dipped doos etc etc

why not have for flown classes that

any entries must have been placed in their clubs

in the top 10 of a race in the past 3 years

 

this will drastically reduce the pool of birds

that can be picked from

but all birds should be guarenteed as racers

 

one club i knew did something similar to this and you would be surprised how many

members who dont normally show entered birds

 

could this work

[Guest geordiejen]

this would only reduce the amount of birds that can be entered into the shows mate.

[b.massey]

Would work that proven racers are in the class... But would reduce the amount that are in it! Some clubs are also stronger than others so a bit unfair on some of the west men who fly against big birdage and strong comp

[Delboy]

with all this discussion about dipped doos etc etc

why not have for flown classes that

any entries must have been placed in their clubs

in the top 10 of a race in the past 3 years

 

this will drastically reduce the pool of birds

that can be picked from

but all birds should be guarenteed as racers

 

one club i knew did something similar to this and you would be surprised how many

members who dont normally show entered birds

 

could this work

 

All the birds have to do is appear on a race result,1st or last, it doesnt matter. This would guarantee an increase in entries and fairness to all.

[OLDYELLOW]

As said most of the show guys wouldn't be there , and a reduced number of birds would be present but no harm in trying a Racers only show but as most presentations take place after new year you would be again limited to birds over 2 year olds unless accompanied by a flown certificate by each secretary

[greenlands]

They finished 90% of the local club shows in this area,we used to have 120 + birds on a Sunday night.Don't hold a show now.

[DJWa]

As said most of the show guys wouldn't be there , and a reduced number of birds would be present but no harm in trying a Racers only show but as most presentations take place after new year you would be again limited to birds over 2 year olds unless accompanied by a flown certificate by each secretary

 

as said on here a list of birds timed should suffice

and as most if not all clubs produce a race result sheet every week

this would prove entry

 

my idea of 1st 10 was prob a bit tough on members but it was only an idea

[naedoos]

as said on here a list of birds timed should suffice

and as most if not all clubs produce a race result sheet every week

this would prove entry

 

my idea of 1st 10 was prob a bit tough on members but it was only an idea

 

 

I agree it should be something to look into, maybe if the racer has been on a result shows it has tried, rather than just accept a flown certificate

[VAGIN]

It use to be that years ago all birds shown in a flown class the owner had to produce a flown certificate that was produced and signed by the club sec.

So if you won a prize it was only on a tempt base till the certificate was produced . I think you were given 7 days Im sure thats how it use to work years ago

[naedoos]

I heard that flown certificates mean nothing these days as anyone can get them signed, that's why I suggested that if your racer has been on a result then that at least shows it's a proven racer, as stated earlier, most clubs have a weekly result

[b.massey]

I don't know much about ETS having not long purchased it but would that be strong proof of flown??

[DJWa]

It use to be that years ago all birds shown in a flown class the owner had to produce a flown certificate that was produced and signed by the club sec.

So if you won a prize it was only on a tempt base till the certificate was produced . I think you were given 7 days Im sure thats how it use to work years ago

 

that is still the rule

but it seems that these certificates can be signed

wheather the bird raced or not

 

but if the bird is on a race result signed by the clocksetter and a witness

at the time of the result being made

then that would be cast iron proof of the bird raceing

 

at the club after a race my ets printout is signed

this prooves all the birds that you have recorded from the race

just leave your ets running and recording untill its time to get your clock read

:emoticon-0167-beer:

[Guest Cawdy]

bit of a show virgin so could be miles out . but when i hear my old man talking about shows from years ago. it always seemed that it was peoples best racers they showed and if your doo felt and looked like what the judge thought was a good doo then it won.

 

but the main point was that the bird had raced well from whatever distance the class was say 500miles.

 

 

but it seems that as long as the bird was entered in a eg 500mile race it qualifies it to enter that class. dosent matter wither it took 12hrs or 12weeks its can still be shown in a 500mile class ???????

 

 

which i think is a bit P***

[JohnQuinn]

When it comes right to the heart of the issue, organisers will not make rules that are detrimental to their event. Regardless of how it changed it would have an impact on entries and that devalues the show, so i doubt very much if rules will be tinkered with especially when numbers are dropping year on tear as it is.

Sure you might get a good turnout once but you're either into showing or not and the guys who come along when they hear of rule changes will disappear just as quickly because they are not "into" shows. jmo

[DJWa]

When it comes right to the heart of the issue, organisers will not make rules that are detrimental to their event. Regardless of how it changed it would have an impact on entries and that devalues the show, so i doubt very much if rules will be tinkered with especially when numbers are dropping year on tear as it is.

Sure you might get a good turnout once but you're either into showing or not and the guys who come along when they hear of rule changes will disappear just as quickly because they are not "into" shows. jmo

 

a lot of these guys used to show

but got that hacked off with their racers

trying to compete with show birds or 1/2 show birds in race classes

that they stopped going/competeing

 

anyway this would not be tinkering as you put it john

just ensureing that the birds were competeing in their correct classes

as is what seems not to be happening nowadays at some shows

 

i think these measures would increase numbers not decrease them

and possably rekindle some club shows

[Delboy]

a lot of these guys used to show

but got that hacked off with their racers

trying to compete with show birds or 1/2 show birds in race classes

that they stopped going/competeing

 

anyway this would not be tinkering as you put it john

just ensureing that the birds were competeing in their correct classes

as is what seems not to be happening nowadays at some shows

 

i think these measures would increase numbers not decrease them

and possably rekindle some club shows

 

 

Spot on

[gulkie]

If they put any more rules and regs .a lot of fanciers will say a to much hassle

Let the judges do there own thing and pick what they like if it's half baked or not

It's his / her choice.

[stan the man]

a lot of these guys used to show

but got that hacked off with their racers

trying to compete with show birds or 1/2 show birds in race classes

that they stopped going/competeing

 

 

this is why i stopped showing my racers, how fanciers are going too over come this problem, i have,ent got a clue,. i used to like showing my birds in the off season, but we dont have any shows up this way theses days. and if my mind serves me right, think we had 3 or 4 shows in the off season, which had a very good turn out. pitty all gone now.

[OLDYELLOW]

a lot of these guys used to show

but got that hacked off with their racers

trying to compete with show birds or 1/2 show birds in race classes

that they stopped going/competeing

 

 

this is why i stopped showing my racers, how fanciers are going too over come this problem, i have,ent got a clue,. i used to like showing my birds in the off season, but we dont have any shows up this way theses days. and if my mind serves me right, think we had 3 or 4 shows in the off season, which had a very good turn out. pitty all gone now.

We used to have a show race birds were shown to compete in the prize money from a selected race am sure federations could do this for several of there fed races if wished to do so . Half went to showing other half went to the race am sure the cost of the venue if any could be deducted but a good way of creating shows within your area purely for the racing men

[dal2]

I loved the shows when I was younger and went everywhere wae probs the best showman of racers but even he got disgruntled wae cross breds!

 

I aint bothered wae the shows now and rarely attend any but do admire the boys that get their doos in top class nick to win! We used to get the doos pinched occasionally so quite respect the idea of evrybody getting them basketed before leaving the hall

 

The judges must set the stall out straight away IMO so that everybody knows their position, if a show bird is in a handling class and you judge it on perfect specimen then a racer will never win but the fact that 90% of the fancy are racing men then it is easy to see why it puts their backs up?

[Guest stb-]

I heard that flown certificates mean nothing these days as anyone can get them signed, that's why I suggested that if your racer has been on a result then that at least shows it's a proven racer, as stated earlier, most clubs have a weekly result

SOUNDS GOOD IN THEARY BUT IF YE SEND 40 0R 50 BIRDS YER NO GONNY TIME THEM ALL IN AND IF YER DOOS ARE NO THE FIRST ONE OR 2 IN THE CLOCK THERE NO GONNY BE ON ANY CLUB RESULT , A LOT OF RESULTS ONLY PUT YER 2ND 0R 3RD DOO ON A RESULT IF ITS IN THE FIRST 4 AFTER THAT YE ONLY GET ONE ON THE RESULT, SO YER DOOS THAT YOU WANT TO SHOW MIGHT NEVER APPEAR ON A RESULT EITHER :emoticon-0138-thinking:IM NOT INTERESTED IN SHOWING RACERS AND TO ME LEAVE THE SHOWS TO THE SHOW DOOS A THAT WHAT THERE FOR CANNY SEE WHAT THE FUSS IS ABOUT

Edited December 9, 2012 by stb-

[DJWa]

SOUNDS GOOD IN THEARY BUT IF YE SEND 40 0R 50 BIRDS YER NO GONNY TIME THEM ALL IN AND IF YER DOOS ARE NO THE FIRST ONE OR 2 IN THE CLOCK THERE NO GONNY BE ON ANY CLUB RESULT , A LOT OF RESULTS ONLY PUT YER 2ND 0R 3RD DOO ON A REAULT IF ITS IN THE FIRST 4 AFTER THAT YE ONLY GET ONE ON THE RESULT, SO YER DOOS THAT YOU WANT TO SHOW MIGHT NEVER APPEAR ON A RESULT EITHER :emoticon-0138-thinking:

 

true rab thats why the ets would be better to record your entries

the club printout on a saturday would list all the birds you have home

[naedoos]

SOUNDS GOOD IN THEARY BUT IF YE SEND 40 0R 50 BIRDS YER NO GONNY TIME THEM ALL IN AND IF YER DOOS ARE NO THE FIRST ONE OR 2 IN THE CLOCK THERE NO GONNY BE ON ANY CLUB RESULT , A LOT OF RESULTS ONLY PUT YER 2ND 0R 3RD DOO ON A RESULT IF ITS IN THE FIRST 4 AFTER THAT YE ONLY GET ONE ON THE RESULT, SO YER DOOS THAT YOU WANT TO SHOW MIGHT NEVER APPEAR ON A RESULT EITHER :emoticon-0138-thinking:IM NOT INTERESTED IN SHOWING RACERS AND TO ME LEAVE THE SHOWS TO THE SHOW DOOS A THAT WHAT THERE FOR CANNY SEE WHAT THE FUSS IS ABOUT

 

 

Respect what you're saying there but I'm afraid if they've no been on a result then I'm sure we widnae be keepin them full stop, never mind for showing. If they cannae compete in racing then they're no good to us, that is the main reason we keep them. Showing them for us is for a bit of fun/ socialising but against birds of the same calibre, no against something that has been sitting getting pampered in a shed all year. Only my opinion of course