demolition man Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 We all know that good pigeon’s come in all shapes and sizes. So is winner to winner always the best way to build a family regardless of shape and size if you were building a family I like to introduce pigeons that are of a simlar type to my own: :emoticon-0157-sun:
Wiley Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Micky Connolly many years ago told me forget about strain names, look to create your own pedigree with winners on all 5 generations on both sides, when you can do that you won't go far wrong. He in my experience was 100% correct. The idea is to create a winning gene pool. I would love to hear Owens thoughts?
adam owen Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 look at the nearly cock bit of all sorts but the all sorts were winners i no what owen will say bern with out asking him!!!! its all in the eye sign :emoticon-0123-party: :emoticon-0123-party:
demolition man Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Posted November 30, 2012 look at the nearly cock bit of all sorts but the all sorts were winners i no what owen will say bern with out asking him!!!! its all in the eye sign :emoticon-0123-party: :emoticon-0123-party: Yes i agree with the Nearly's make up but i bet they were all a similar type of pigeon, That's what i'm trying to get at here.
Wiley Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Bern, our pigeons are different in sizes but they are to a type in the hand we like the bird to have balance and the tail flights to apper to be one piece.
Guest bigda Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Bern, our pigeons are different in sizes but they are to a type in the hand we like the bird to have balance and the tail flights to apper to be one piece. feeding can put the tail into place as you know wiley, as feeding and flying for a few hours will knock most birds into shape.
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 When asking about theories on selection,types,creating your own family etc.I was told by a top fancier-if you believe in good pigeons,the rest will fall into place. The only criterion for his selection is performance.Could be coincidence but after flying birds under his management for three decades he has ended up with a type of birds that chose him,not the other way round. He did not select for these traits but the birds he could call his own family have turned out medium/small,slightly shorter than a lot of birds,have the backs you could carry coal on,are well rounded,good muscle and a breast bone thats very difficult to expose on account of the thick feather coverage.Type wise the birds are all peas in a pod. Many of them carry fantastic eyesign as well
dal2 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 I have a stock loft that, apart from one, have never flown oot never mind won a race!!??
billt Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Micky Connolly many years ago told me forget about strain names, look to create your own pedigree with winners on all 5 generations on both sides, when you can do that you won't go far wrong. He in my experience was 100% correct. The idea is to create a winning gene pool. I would love to hear Owens thoughts? No one could disagree with this method as surely this has been the route of all strain-makers but you can short cut this route by buying in a strain, I have four pairs that cost me a few hundred, the parents, g/parents and g/grandparents are all winners or breeders of, when you work out the cost of working several years on the winner to winner theory I'm sure mine is the most direct route and the cheaper
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 I have a stock loft that, apart from one, have never flown oot never mind won a race!!?? you're a gid flier though Stevie I know for a fact you and your da will select your breeders on their performances as well. was just raising the point of the lad who selected only on performance and selected on type at the same time by accident. Anyway I'm off to hospital,think I have broke my ankle or torn a ligament(again)
andy Burgess Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 you're a gid flier though Stevie I know for a fact you and your da will select your breeders on their performances as well. was just raising the point of the lad who selected only on performance and selected on type at the same time by accident. Anyway I'm off to hospital,think I have broke my ankle or torn a ligament(again) will you be changing your name to "hopalong cassidy" ??
geordie1234 Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 you're a gid flier though Stevie I know for a fact you and your da will select your breeders on their performances as well. was just raising the point of the lad who selected only on performance and selected on type at the same time by accident. Anyway I'm off to hospital,think I have broke my ankle or torn a ligament(again) Too much to drink at that perty Lewis? lol
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 will you be changing your name to "hopalong cassidy" ?? Too much to drink at that perty Lewis? lol Got stitches in my eyebrow but the X-Ray shows the ankle is just sprained Drinking and ice don't mix
DJWa Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 Got stitches in my eyebrow but the X-Ray shows the ankle is just sprained Drinking and ice don't mix you and alf should get together, thats his game dancing on ice glad to hear your ankles ok though
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 you and alf should get together, thats his game dancing on ice glad to hear your ankles ok though
geordie1234 Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 Im out tonight on the p*ss i fear the worse lol
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 Im out tonight on the p*ss i fear the worse lol Stay safe Apologies to Bernie for hijacking his thread
Guest spin cycle Posted December 1, 2012 Report Posted December 1, 2012 No one could disagree with this method as surely this has been the route of all strain-makers but you can short cut this route by buying in a strain, I have four pairs that cost me a few hundred, the parents, g/parents and g/grandparents are all winners or breeders of, when you work out the cost of working several years on the winner to winner theory I'm sure mine is the most direct route and the cheaper lend us a fiver .....i'm just starting down the 'generations route'....though my stipulation is fed carded (or better) from 250+miles...or parent of such....it'll take years though...but i look at it as part of my hobby
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