The Bull System

[andy Burgess]

looking for information on the "Bull System" ,also views on the same .have any members used it ,if so , how did it go ?

[just ask me]

done it with one cock a few year ago a good way to find out if a cock is any good or not as you may have 3 years young ones in one year

 

 

owen on here uses it a lot

[PIGEON_MAN]

looking for information on the "Bull System" ,also views on the same .have any members used it ,if so , how did it go ?

Should be a lot of posts on here somewhere about this system,it as been spoken about on a few occasions,bought one of the original Bull Boxes years ago which also had a video with it,loaned that to a guy on here and that was the last I seen of it.

[andy Burgess]

done it with one cock a few year ago a good way to find out if a cock is any good or not as you may have 3 years young ones in one year owen on here uses it a lot

thanks JAM ,its Owen who has got me interested in the subject .

 

Should be a lot of posts on here somewhere about this system,it as been spoken about on a few occasions,bought one of the original Bull Boxes years ago which also had a video with it,loaned that to a guy on here and that was the last I seen of it.

have searched for it Tony ,but cant find anything

[DJWa]

thanks JAM ,its Owen who has got me interested in the subject .

 

 

have searched for it Tony ,but cant find anything

 

you were not looking afy hard andy

http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/42512-bull-box/page__p__780524__hl__bull%20__fromsearch__1entry780524

 

look at flycasters link andy

[Fly_caster]

 

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/NigelCowood.html

[andy Burgess]

you were not looking afy hard andy

http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/42512-bull-box/page__p__780524__hl__bull%20__fromsearch__1entry780524

 

look at flycasters link andy

thanks Dave .

[andy Burgess]

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/NigelCowood.html

thanks Steve

[Fly_caster]

thanks Steve

 

[Guest Owen]

I have posted how I have run the Bull System for years but I left an important bit out.

When the youngsters are 14 days old I remove them in the pan and I put them and their mothers into the Youngbird Loft. All the hens will feed all the youngsters which gives you far better youngsters.

If you want to you can use differant hens for the second round or you can use the original hens again. Removing the hens with their young is the best way to stop the Rearer Cocks from impregnating the hens for the second round. I have used a total of 16 hens to one Cock over two rounds.

For the second round I will use some differant hens and I will also allow the best Dummy Cocks to father some youngsters.

A major benefit of this system is that you can do some inbreeding to try it out without wasting a good cock for a year

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I have posted how I have run the Bull System for years but I left an important bit out.

When the youngsters are 14 days old I remove them in the pan and I put them and their mothers into the Youngbird Loft. All the hens will feed all the youngsters which gives you far better youngsters.

If you want to you can use differant hens for the second round or you can use the original hens again. Removing the hens with their young is the best way to stop the Rearer Cocks from impregnating the hens for the second round. I have used a total of 16 hens to one Cock over two rounds.

For the second round I will use some differant hens and I will also allow the best Dummy Cocks to father some youngsters.

A major benefit of this system is that you can do some inbreeding to try it out without wasting a good cock for a year

 

I'm assuming to have a cock worthy of being a bull,he must have a terrific breeding eye?

[andy Burgess]

I have posted how I have run the Bull System for years but I left an important bit out.

When the youngsters are 14 days old I remove them in the pan and I put them and their mothers into the Youngbird Loft. All the hens will feed all the youngsters which gives you far better youngsters.

If you want to you can use differant hens for the second round or you can use the original hens again. Removing the hens with their young is the best way to stop the Rearer Cocks from impregnating the hens for the second round. I have used a total of 16 hens to one Cock over two rounds.

For the second round I will use some differant hens and I will also allow the best Dummy Cocks to father some youngsters.

A major benefit of this system is that you can do some inbreeding to try it out without wasting a good cock for a year

all interesting stuff

[Guest Owen]

Rooster

I would rather he had an active cock

[Guest maricelbill]

he just needs to have an eye for the girls. never thought you turn out an eye sign enthusiast, why I oughta..............

 

I'm assuming to have a cock worthy of being a bull,he must have a terrific breeding eye?

[Guest bluemorning]

advertised pigeon lore by nelson hutton

on this site a bit ago but no takers it explains counting days etc but not called the bull system olympiade breeding or something like that but much the same thing, sometimes on ebay

[Guest H@wkBait]

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/NigelCowood.html

[andy Burgess]

have read through the above links a few times,and have a few questions still. when can i put the "bull" cock back into his section ,how long before giving him his original hen ?? also if like Owen hens and yongsters are away when 14 days old ,how soon or when do you re-introduce the hens and any difference in timing if introducing new hens ??

[billt]

Owen, I wonder why you think when taking hens and young away at 14 days that you get better youngsters, ie. 10 hens rearing 20 young compared to 10 pairs rearing 20 young, I must say I prefer cocks for rearing.

[demolition man]

Owen, I wonder why you think when taking hens and young away at 14 days that you get better youngsters, ie. 10 hens rearing 20 young compared to 10 pairs rearing 20 young, I must say I prefer cocks for rearing.

 

 

On several occasions I have left one parent to rear two young, so In my opinion hens or cocks rearing young alone whether that be one or two young should not affect the adult bird, pigeons showing stress when rearing in my opinion are weak and should not be bred from,

 

 

[billt]

 

 

On several occasions I have left one parent to rear two young, so In my opinion hens or cocks rearing young alone whether that be one or two young should not affect the adult bird, pigeons showing stress when rearing in my opinion are weak and should not be bred from,

 

 

I wasn't questioning the fact that a single healthy bird is quite capable of rearing two young, I wondered why Owen stated that the single hens reared "far better youngsters"

 

[geordie1234]

Is it maybe because if all the hens and youngsters are together allvhens will feed any youngster not just their own?

[billt]

Is it maybe because if all the hens and youngsters are together allvhens will feed any youngster not just their own?

 

Yes George but it's still 10 hens feeding 20 young compared to 20 birds feeding 20 young

[just ask me]

Owen what's your routine with one cock with so many hens how much time does it take daily

[demolition man]

Wrong end of the stick billt sorry

[Guest Owen]

The idea of taking the hens and youngsters away at 14 days is to prevent the feeder cock from impregnating the hen. When the hens and the youngsters are away on their own the hens will concentrate on feeding the younsters because they are not being driven by the cock and all the hens will share the duties as feeders.

You can return the hen to the breeding pen when the young are around 25 days old and off you go again. This way it is possible to get as many as 40 youngsters from one cock plus the 2 he will have with a hen he will be mated to at the end of this exercise.

There are some important things to do before you get started. Check the pigeons' droppings and swabs. And vaccinate the adult birds. I do mine twice before they are used to breed youngsters. Then vaccinate all the young at 28 days old and again 4 weeks later.

Rear the youngsters on deep litter and you ought not to have any sign of YBS.

If you intend to have the youngsters on darkness make sure that you get them out of the loft and airborne as young as possible because any delays with this can cause you a major headache later on. When I have slipped up on this I have always lost youngsters to the falcon.