Benefits Of West Route Into Lanarkshire

[Delboy]

derek sick of hearing bop on west expletive remove is theyre none on east benefits better national positions i know a guy who raced with us last year racing wae almond valley this year and has lost more doos with them than us so tell me east is best dont think so

 

 

Derek, Im only talking from experience going with the Midland fed.Bop everywhere but with volume of Lanarkshire doos coming from east, the races were great.Almond valley have small convoy and are still getting good enough races. I have nothing to gain by saying east is better than west, i just tell the truth about it.Solway up yesterday at Stafford with Cumbria fed, 1 bird on the day.Totally gutted

[dal2]

Derek, Im only talking from experience going with the Midland fed.Bop everywhere but with volume of Lanarkshire doos coming from east, the races were great.Almond valley have small convoy and are still getting good enough races. I have nothing to gain by saying east is better than west, i just tell the truth about it.Solway up yesterday at Stafford with Cumbria fed, 1 bird on the day.Totally gutted

 

 

No the Solway Derek Annan Prem, but yer right got a mauling AGAIN

[sj irving jnr]

Derek, Im only talking from experience going with the Midland fed.Bop everywhere but with volume of Lanarkshire doos coming from east, the races were great.Almond valley have small convoy and are still getting good enough races. I have nothing to gain by saying east is better than west, i just tell the truth about it.Solway up yesterday at Stafford with Cumbria fed, 1 bird on the day.Totally gutted

 

sorry derek you will have to get your facts right the solway fed brought the pigeons back to shap from cheltenham which was a great move by raymond white(who also had birds away with the premier) i was with with west cumbria and the furness fed at stafford also and had 1 out the 5 and also another 5 birds were here on the nite out of the 32 sent,birds of pray had nothing to do with yesterday,no sun and a n east wind dont help,theres hawks everywhere but when its a hard or sticky race its the first thing people blame.

 

atb

 

scott irving jnr

[dal2]

sorry derek you will have to get your facts right the solway fed brought the pigeons back to shap from cheltenham which was a great move by raymond white(who also had birds away with the premier) i was with with west cumbria and the furness fed at stafford also and had 1 out the 5 and also another 5 birds were here on the nite out of the 32 sent,birds of pray had nothing to do with yesterday,no sun and a n east wind dont help,theres hawks everywhere but when its a hard or sticky race its the first thing people blame.

 

atb

 

scott irving jnr

 

Tough gan Scott mate but it had hard race written all over? It was baltic standin waitin!!!

[Delboy]

sorry derek you will have to get your facts right the solway fed brought the pigeons back to shap from cheltenham which was a great move by raymond white(who also had birds away with the premier) i was with with west cumbria and the furness fed at stafford also and had 1 out the 5 and also another 5 birds were here on the nite out of the 32 sent,birds of pray had nothing to do with yesterday,no sun and a n east wind dont help,theres hawks everywhere but when its a hard or sticky race its the first thing people blame.

 

atb

 

scott irving jnr

 

 

Info came from Raymond Whyte, glad you have corrected it and it wasnt as bad as first thought.Bop everywhere, this is true but densest population is north of you guys, M74, so you cant really comment on this as your birds dont have to run the gauntlet up there.Im not saying there arent 100s down the M6 as well and your birds have to deal with that.

[Delboy]

No the Solway Derek Annan Prem, but yer right got a mauling AGAIN

I stand corrected Stephen, 2nd hand info growing arms and legs, lol

[budgie]

There are no Benefits thats the Fed down almost 66% after 7 races and no a dish washed yet

[lanarkshire lad]

Don't get restricted to lib time because of other feds.

 

On the west route, our birds can race from racepoints that are on the same line of flight, east side birds into lanarkshire have a different line each week.

 

Don't have to lib at the Bermuda triangle at the Newcastle to Middlesborough area.

 

Pigeons don't get bullied into running up the east side of the pennines, meaning that some / most doos are being taught to dog leg. I want my doos to fly from a-b, wind determind of course.

 

Cheaper to transport our pigeons to race points down the west, rather than having to go cross country over to the east.

 

No Clashing

 

Less airports, inc RAF bases.

 

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Jim, can you tell me the benefits of liberating from the east route????

 

I'll say the first one for you!!!!!! Marginaly less BOP

 

One bad race and some are waiting to crucify the west route.

The proof is there to be seen expletive remove just look in your dookit and see whats no there and were no at the nitty gritty end yet.Totally disagree with this running up the side of the pennines and dog legging stuff The ETA on the east route was usually bang on so that would suggest to me that the pigeons were coming straight as possible. I think the more pigeon Traffic on a route these days is a good thing the predators have more choice so theres a good chance you doos will get a clean run. THE TERRAIN on the east route is more kinder to the pigeons less BOPs and less suitable habitat for them thats a FACT you canny argue with that.As for the Airport thing we have had good old bird racing from the east route so once again it would suggest to me that Airports are not a problem i think thats in your imagination.It would appear to me you have a fear of Airplanes and bermuda triangles in your comments i think its safe enough these days Gareth.

[alec guinness]

raced the full lanarkshire fed programme 2009 2010 and 2011 and can say in all honesty we had a great 3 years racing east and return wise,2006 2007 and 2008 we raced on the traditional route and had a mare of a time,i have commented countless times before on this subject and i am sure in the fullness of time it will all come out in the wash!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[DJWa]

There are no Benefits thats the Fed down almost 66% after 7 races and no a dish washed yet

 

a lot of members flying down the east would bite your hand off to still have 34%

of their birds left

 

lots down to flying single figures or wiped out

when a good few started with 60 and 70

looking at you boys returns youve had it easy compared to the east

[shugf2003]

After flying the West route for most of my racing life when we changed to the East all the so called big wigs were shouting to change back to the West after the First,second and third races. When i flew west i trained from the east when flew east i trained from the west. New route for your pigeons give them time and train accordingly

cheers Shug

[Roland]

Think the main moans will be those that no longer enjoy the benefits of Westerly winds.

Like when through F & M we flew Bejguim etc. The whinging and moaning was from those that believed - as to thought - that they had the right to be favoured and formed the MCCC Club etc. the letters to the BHW etc. because of that season were unbelievable, all soak with their tears.

Certainly will have new names at the top, that's for sure, and those on the East side won't be saying 'Wind makes no difference... you have to try harder' now lol will they.

[Delboy]

raced the full lanarkshire fed programme 2009 2010 and 2011 and can say in all honesty we had a great 3 years racing east and return wise,2006 2007 and 2008 we raced on the traditional route and had a mare of a time,i have commented countless times before on this subject and i am sure in the fullness of time it will all come out in the wash!!!!!!!!!!! :)

 

 

Totally true and unbias opinion John, I just wish people would listen to folk that have experienced both routes.Its all about winning a red card and no compassion for the pigeon, shame on them.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

raced the full lanarkshire fed programme 2009 2010 and 2011 and can say in all honesty we had a great 3 years racing east and return wise,2006 2007 and 2008 we raced on the traditional route and had a mare of a time,i have commented countless times before on this subject and i am sure in the fullness of time it will all come out in the wash!!!!!!!!!!! :)

John racing for the first 5 races with Lanarkshire this year had been very good, then Uttoxeter the 6th race came round with gusts of 30-50MPH reported, no doubt many of these doos lost from that race are in Ireland this because of the wind that the doos had to deal with.

 

As you say it will come out in the wash, and by the end of 2012 season we will have a clearer view of which route is best. After the last couple of years racing down the east with losses, my bet is that the west will be no worse and no better.

 

If racing down the east is that good then what was your returns yesterday from Newark????

And how has the members returns been in Bonybridge club.

[alec guinness]

John racing for the first 5 races with Lanarkshire this year had been very good, then Uttoxeter the 6th race came round with gusts of 30-50MPH reported, no doubt many of these doos lost from that race are in Ireland this because of the wind that the doos had to deal with.

 

As you say it will come out in the wash, and by the end of 2012 season we will have a clearer view of which route is best. After the last couple of years racing down the east with losses, my bet is that the west will be no worse and no better.

 

If racing down the east is that good then what was your returns yesterday from Newark????

And how has the members returns been in Bonybridge club.

 

i think yesterdays returns with bonnybridge/almond valley were not as good as some of the feds that liberated later on,personally we had a poor race and returns,although if you read properly my point raised was racing east with lanarkshire which is totally different racing than with a/v,i know Gareth that you are fully committed to the west so good luck for the rest of the season and as said earlier it will come out in the watch. ;)

[Guest bigda]

i think yesterdays returns with bonnybridge/almond valley were not as good as some of the feds that liberated later on,personally we had a poor race and returns,although if you read properly my point raised was racing east with lanarkshire which is totally different racing than with a/v,i know Gareth that you are fully committed to the west so good luck for the rest of the season and as said earlier it will come out in the watch. ;)

 

it will come out in the watch. ;)

or time will tell

[alec guinness]

it will come out in the watch. ;)

or time will tell

 

:lol: good danny.

[Delboy]

I find it funny that folk dont listen to guys that have experienced both east and west and are giving a neutral opinion.Lanarkshire got humped at 60-70 miles yesterday because they had a smaller convoy than usual( this is a normal size for other feds )thats a fact.The winds etc didnt help but the main factor is a smallish convoy being liberated down in the solway with BOP having a field day. We all know that the BIG CONVOY down the west makes a difference to returns but we are just papering over the cracks here.The same BIG CONVOY down the east will get even better returns, thats a proven FACT.Ive heard some saying the guys flying the east route are getting it tight also, this is very true BUT, part reason for this is because Lanarkshire fed is not down the east anymore and the volume of birds coming into the west of Scotland is severely diminished. My opinion, neutral and unbias, is until BOP is sorted down the whole west route, east will be marginally better.Midland fed go west because certain clubs want domination in certain races but with no thought whatsoever for the pigeons.I remember they went east and Denny got most of the prizes but all had fantastic returns.The very next year it was changed to the west so other clubs could dominate in the early races, in spite of the vast amount of pigeons being lost. Lanarkshire fed are adopting the same attitude.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

The proof is there to be seen expletive remove just look in your dookit and see whats no there and were no at the nitty gritty end yet.Totally disagree with this running up the side of the pennines and dog legging stuff The ETA on the east route was usually bang on so that would suggest to me that the pigeons were coming straight as possible. I think the more pigeon Traffic on a route these days is a good thing the predators have more choice so theres a good chance you doos will get a clean run. THE TERRAIN on the east route is more kinder to the pigeons less BOPs and less suitable habitat for them thats a FACT you canny argue with that.As for the Airport thing we have had good old bird racing from the east route so once again it would suggest to me that Airports are not a problem i think thats in your imagination.It would appear to me you have a fear of Airplanes and bermuda triangles in your comments i think its safe enough these days Gareth.

So like me you dont believe in dog legging !!?? well once racing goes past the 150 mile stage down the east, i.e. Selby Newark Peterboroygh, then your pigeons are coming up through Appleby, Carlisle Moffatt,, one of the areas that you would like to avoid.

 

Airports radors and jammers causing problems with homing pigeons is unproven i agree, but in my opinion it is just another problem in the list of things that our pigeons have to deal with.

 

Also if racing is that bad down the west compared to the east then these figures from equivalent races from 2011 and 2012 below, show as i have said that it is no better but certainly no worse.

 

East

Uddingstone 2011 Selby 593 birds

Uddingstone 2011 Newark 451 birds

 

West

Uddingstone 2012 Charnock Richard 507 birds

Uddingstone 2012 Uttoxeter 520 birds

 

All the best for the rest of the season Jim, also hope your returns are as kind as any other year.

 

PS

Worth noting that this year our pigeons have the worst racing conditions ever, first 4-5 weeks our pigeons have being racing in temps sub 9 oC and down as low as 5oC, then the 6th race we went up to the mid 20's, this week it was bloody freezing again, hats and scarfs were required. And all but one race has had easterly winds, some weeks very strong.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I find it funny that folk dont listen to guys that have experienced both east and west and are giving a neutral opinion.Lanarkshire got humped at 60-70 miles yesterday because they had a smaller convoy than usual( this is a normal size for other feds )thats a fact.The winds etc didnt help but the main factor is a smallish convoy being liberated down in the solway with BOP having a field day. We all know that the BIG CONVOY down the west makes a difference to returns but we are just papering over the cracks here.The same BIG CONVOY down the east will get even better returns, thats a proven FACT.Ive heard some saying the guys flying the east route are getting it tight also, this is very true BUT, part reason for this is because Lanarkshire fed is not down the east anymore and the volume of birds coming into the west of Scotland is severely diminished. My opinion, neutral and unbias, is until BOP is sorted down the whole west route, east will be marginally better.Midland fed go west because certain clubs want domination in certain races but with no thought whatsoever for the pigeons.I remember they went east and Denny got most of the prizes but all had fantastic returns.The very next year it was changed to the west so other clubs could dominate in the early races, in spite of the vast amount of pigeons being lost. Lanarkshire fed are adopting the same attitude.

 

So Derek, Lanarkshire returns would be better down the east because they are getting cover from the BOP from Other east of Scotland feds and likewise the east of Scotland boys get better racing when Lanarkshire are down the east. So if my doos from 150 mile race from the east of the pennines decide to fly from a-b then what cover are my doos going to get any other Scottish fed whilst flying over to the west. He haw as its basically no mans land. I hope your not suggesting that we west of Scotland boys should be encouraged or happy that our pigeons under your principles have to accept dog legging, that's not pigeon racing Derek, A-B!!!!! is how i want to race my pigeons (wind determined of course)

 

 

West of Scotland should all be going down the West

East of Scotland feds should all be going down the east

 

Funny how the UNC don't race there doos from the west route? most likely because at times the pennines are like a brick wall to pigeons, yet stupid fanciers in Lanarkshire expect our pigeons to deal with it.

[airdrie2]

AS BEING fairly new to the pigeon game 3 seasons this is the first time i have flew down the west route with lanarkshire and FACTS that i have found are with no change in the way my pigeons are prept for racing season i have lost 40 odd o/birds racing so far down the west down the east route lucky if i lost 10 a year maybe as budgie says i am getting down to my 2% but i care for the well being of my birds and at this rate i would never be able to build up a team so i am now considering whether to race my y/birds this year or put some bye to next year only my thoughts

[Delboy]

So Derek, Lanarkshire returns would be better down the east because they are getting cover from the BOP from Other east of Scotland feds and likewise the east of Scotland boys get better racing when Lanarkshire are down the east. So if my doos from 150 mile race from the east of the pennines decide to fly from a-b then what cover are my doos going to get any other Scottish fed whilst flying over to the west. He haw as its basically no mans land. I hope your not suggesting that we west of Scotland boys should be encouraged or happy that our pigeons under your principles have to accept dog legging, that's not pigeon racing Derek, A-B!!!!! is how i want to race my pigeons (wind determined of course)

 

 

West of Scotland should all be going down the West

East of Scotland feds should all be going down the east

Funny how the UNC don't race there doos from the west route? most likely because at times the pennines are like a brick wall to pigeons, yet stupid fanciers in Lanarkshire expect our pigeons to deal with it.

 

Gareth, the only thing your interested in is the birds coming straight through Larkhall every week and believe me, everyone knows that.The best national racing results into the west section have been from races to the east.You see , it makes it a wee bit fairer, but fairness is the last thing pigeon men want.Advantages plus penalty kicks is the name of the game now.If there was a breaking point (in all races )and fatigue factor formula implemented in the longer races then no one would bother about east and west, they would go to the proven best race points for returns.The winner would be the best pigeon, end of.Not the way it is just now, the first pigeon in Eyemouth wins the race but every one credits the doo in Ayrshire in 40th open as the best bird.The pigeon game is stuck in the dark ages and fairness is not part of its make up. If a breaking point etc was implented you wouldnt need sections ( or as many sections )and everyone would pool in the open, as EVERYONE, has a fair crack of the whip.Only then would the east,west argument get really sorted as no real advantage is given to anyone.

[Delboy]

AS BEING fairly new to the pigeon game 3 seasons this is the first time i have flew down the west route with lanarkshire and FACTS that i have found are with no change in the way my pigeons are prept for racing season i have lost 40 odd o/birds racing so far down the west down the east route lucky if i lost 10 a year maybe as budgie says i am getting down to my 2% but i care for the well being of my birds and at this rate i would never be able to build up a team so i am now considering whether to race my y/birds this year or put some bye to next year only my thoughts

 

 

Heres another unbias opinion from a relative new start that doesnt know the politics.Its tough Charlie , the doo games fked m8

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Gareth, the only thing your interested in is the birds coming straight through Larkhall every week and believe me, everyone knows that.The best national racing results into the west section have been from races to the east.You see , it makes it a wee bit fairer, but fairness is the last thing pigeon men want.Advantages plus penalty kicks is the name of the game now.If there was a breaking point (in all races )and fatigue factor formula implemented in the longer races then no one would bother about east and west, they would go to the proven best race points for returns.The winner would be the best pigeon, end of.Not the way it is just now, the first pigeon in Eyemouth wins the race but every one credits the doo in Ayrshire in 40th open as the best bird.The pigeon game is stuck in the dark ages and fairness is not part of its make up. If a breaking point etc was implented you wouldnt need sections ( or as many sections )and everyone would pool in the open, as EVERYONE, has a fair crack of the whip.Only then would the east,west argument get really sorted as no real advantage is given to anyone.

 

What about racing up the centre of the country ?how would that fare for everybody

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Gareth, the only thing your interested in is the birds coming straight through Larkhall every week and believe me, everyone knows that.The best national racing results into the west section have been from races to the east.You see , it makes it a wee bit fairer, but fairness is the last thing pigeon men want.Advantages plus penalty kicks is the name of the game now.If there was a breaking point (in all races )and fatigue factor formula implemented in the longer races then no one would bother about east and west, they would go to the proven best race points for returns.The winner would be the best pigeon, end of.Not the way it is just now, the first pigeon in Eyemouth wins the race but every one credits the doo in Ayrshire in 40th open as the best bird.The pigeon game is stuck in the dark ages and fairness is not part of its make up. If a breaking point etc was implented you wouldnt need sections ( or as many sections )and everyone would pool in the open, as EVERYONE, has a fair crack of the whip.Only then would the east,west argument get really sorted as no real advantage is given to anyone.

The best performance into the west from nationals has been from a westerly race points Messac 1st open to the great Mr & Mrs Elliot and the ever consistent George Mann 1st open Marlborough all in 2012. Still haven't seen 1st open into the west section from an Easterly racepoint!! why!! because you cant take the Pennines out of the equation and the easier terraine that easterly fanciers have(cant help were you live). The west will never win from the easterly locations unless you get us a racepoint from Germany or there is a gale of an east wind, so untill then we will just have to get on with it and do the best we can.

 

Dont disagree about your breaking points, but realistically it is unworkable as there will always be someone who will not be happy.

 

Disappoints me that you would criticize me sitting to the front and middle of the fed , no advantage to Larkhall members as an east wind will be won by fanciers to the west and back of the fed, a west wind will be won by fanciers sitting to the east and back of the fed. Wind determines in 90-95% of all races!!! look at this years Lanarkshire results!! and any other year for that matter.

 

If only every race was a head wind, ...lol