Turned Up

[andy Burgess]

after reading the 2nd day returns post , a few have mentioned birds turning up from a week or 2 previous races. i know a lot of birds are being brought back up country by un-seen folk ,who are going out of there way to help ,PMs off others who are willing to pick up from NEHU members etc,who themselves are going out of there way to collect SHU rung strays and pass them onto Transporter drivers and in turn liberate them close to home . there is also the exception to this ,i know a site member who had a crate of strays to come up ,they were given to "a certain transporter driver" at liberation site ,who done nothing more than liberate them then and there

[gulkie]

name and shame which fed

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

NOT VERY NICE GET RID OF THEM.///

[OLDYELLOW]

Liberated a Scottish bird yesterday at Sunderland I take strays up country when I can

[andy Burgess]

name and shame which fed

thats not up to me , maybe the person who informed me will ??

 

NOT VERY NICE GET RID OF THEM.///

well questions need to be asked for sure TOOSHY.

 

Liberated a Scottish bird yesterday at Sunderland I take strays up country when I can

thanks OY , this is just the sort of help we need to give each other.

[Guest stb-]

after reading the 2nd day returns post , a few have mentioned birds turning up from a week or 2 previous races. i know a lot of birds are being brought back up country by un-seen folk ,who are going out of there way to help ,PMs off others who are willing to pick up from NEHU members etc,who themselves are going out of there way to collect SHU rung strays and pass them onto Transporter drivers and in turn liberate them close to home . there is also the exception to this ,i know a site member who had a crate of strays to come up ,they were given to "a certain transporter driver" at liberation site ,who done nothing more than liberate them then and there

without being funny andy its against the law for them to take any birds they do not have on there list as vaccinated , if they were stopped and checked and found to have birds on the transporter that are not on there list the fine is quite severe , i have already been refused by a transporter crew to return a pigeon and when they exsplained the circumstances i could see there point . They are obliged bye law to carry a liste of all of the members pigeons listed

any not on the list is ileagal and carrys a large penalty

 

its a bit like a lad gives you a box way cocaine in it to deliver and you get stopped and caught you take the rapp no the guy who gave you the box

if they say no now i understand where there comming from

Edited May 13, 2012 by stb-

[andy Burgess]

without being funny andy its against the law for them to take any birds they do not have on there list as vaccinated , if they were stopped and checked and found to have birds on the transporter that are not on there list the fine is quite severe , i have already been refused by a transporter crew to return a pigeon and when they exsplained the circumstances i could see there point . They are obliged bye law to carry a liste of all of the members pigeons listed

any not on the list is ileagal and carrys a large penalty

 

its a bit like a lad gives you a box way cocaine in it to deliver and you get stopped and caught you take the rapp no the guy who gave you the box

if they say no now i understand where there comming from

so those that do it out of common sense and a willingness to help are breaking the law ?? well i suppose many do break the law daily , running a red light and speeding but hey . surely if the driver has been given birds lost at a race and ring numbers are listed ,then it would only need to contact the club or fed for relevant documentation if needed or stopped ?? or is that too simple a solution Rob ??

[DJH]

I had a bird turn up about 3.00pm yesterday. I didn't recognize it at first as it would not come in, only flying between the house roof and the loft.

 

I thought it was a stray as it was rung on the wrong leg from what I normally ring my birds however it was acting as if it knew it was home,and it did have a Tipes ETS ring on that our club is 1 of only a couple in Scotland that have this system.

 

I eventually got the bird in just as it was getting dark and on checking the number I realized that I lost the pigeon at Witton Castle, 2011, at the young bird racing.

 

This pigeon was immaculate when I handled it and has come through a very good moult for a bird that has been lost for so long.

 

I can only assume that someone has had this pigeon in over the winter and may actually have got it back into the area or onto a transporter and had it liberated yesterday.

 

It's a long shot however if anyone knows if SU 11 NW 2211 was one of the birds that was brought back North then it would be good to know. Or even if they know where its been for the last 9 months??

 

Cheers

 

Davy

[Guest stb-]

so those that do it out of common sense and a willingness to help are breaking the law ?? well i suppose many do break the law daily , running a red light and speeding but hey . surely if the driver has been given birds lost at a race and ring numbers are listed ,then it would only need to contact the club or fed for relevant documentation if needed or stopped ?? or is that too simple a solution Rob ??

no the law says that the only birds carried on the transporter have to be on there liste , not some other feds liste , also you dont get a 10k fine for running a red light either , if the guys say no which they have done before and exsplined the situation i can accept there decision . Its a bit like you getting stopped with no driving liscence and saying its ok i know someone in wales who has a license

that one wont cover you bye law

[ALF]

My mate was telling me a story about 2 nest mates yesterday he lost 1 of them 3 weeks ago and was then waiting on his birds coming from the race last weekend when both nest mates arrived together after her being missing for a fortnight What were the chances of him meeting his nest mate on the way home from the race? Strange things sometimes are pigeons

[ovy1255]

our transporter does not have a list of birds being carried -was told that defra had relaxed this rule. we sign to say how many baskets how many birds.

[eastcoaster]

no the law says that the only birds carried on the transporter have to be on there liste , not some other feds liste , also you dont get a 10k fine for running a red light either , if the guys say no which they have done before and exsplined the situation i can accept there decision . Its a bit like you getting stopped with no driving liscence and saying its ok i know someone in wales who has a license

that one wont cover you bye law

 

I think you will find only birds for liberation are requested to be on the vac forms ,not stray or personal birds .

[Guest stb-]

I think you will find only birds for liberation are requested to be on the vac forms ,not stray or personal birds .

i think you will find that only vaccinated birds that are on the list

will be allowed to travel , there should be no birds in the same group that are not listed , i already looked into this when i was told about the rules , it might have been relaxed they dont need the liste on now but someone must have a list of all birds on transporter

through race entry forms etc from what i was told at the time if theres a bird thats not on the list certifying vaccination your done .

 

I am only saying this as some are saying the convoyers should be sacked or got rid off , but rules are rules and if they dont want to break them thats there decision and all should just accept it

[eastcoaster]

i think you will find that only vaccinated birds that are on the list

will be allowed to travel , there should be no birds in the same group that are not listed , i already looked into this when i was told about the rules , it might have been relaxed they dont need the liste on now but someone must have a list of all birds on transporter

through race entry forms etc from what i was told at the time if theres a bird thats not on the list certifying vaccination your done .

 

I am only saying this as some are saying the convoyers should be sacked or got rid off , but rules are rules and if they dont want to break them thats there decision and all should just accept it

 

Not having a go at youself or anybody it is a grey area as it also states on journeys over 8 hrs for all poultry and according to their rules you can`t take your mates doo`s either , it`s all crap anyway just another complication in what is sopposed to be a simple sport.

[Guest stb-]

Not having a go at youself or anybody it is a grey area as it also states on journeys over 8 hrs for all poultry and according to their rules you can`t take your mates doo`s either , it`s all crap anyway just another complication in what is sopposed to be a simple sport.

yip all red tape crap that they come up with , personally the rule should be scraped now as it was 2005 that the bird flu was announced

[andy Burgess]

Not having a go at youself or anybody it is a grey area as it also states on journeys over 8 hrs for all poultry and according to their rules you can`t take your mates doo`s either , it`s all crap anyway just another complication in what is sopposed to be a simple sport.

 

it was a bit of a "grey" area Colin , but i think STB has explained it very well .i now understand it a little better .

yip all red tape crap that they come up with , personally the rule should be scraped now as it was 2005 that the bird flu was announced

and i agree with this statement ,in effect ,common sense should help to over-turn this rule with the aid of the Unions .its clearly out-dated and would help rather than hinder if changed.

[just ask me]

stb is right but then again we need some way of getting strays around the country

[TOMMY R]

hi being wda president & on nehu management we have a good rapport with defra

we are allowed to collect strays at race points & bring them back up country

should be only after the birds have been liberated but common sense comes into it

if you keep defra informed you will find they try to help out

tommy

[andy Burgess]

hi being wda president & on nehu management we have a good rapport with defra

we are allowed to collect strays at race points & bring them back up country

should be only after the birds have been liberated but common sense comes into it

if you keep defra informed you will find they try to help out

tommy

thats interesting ,thanks for that Tommy.