Pedigree Dogs

[Guest geordiejen]

anyone watch the programme about pedigree dogs and how all these nasty deformities and diseases are effecting them?quite an eye opener its all to do with inbreeding and using one dog as a stud for many breeders.

[quackie]

yes i watched it makes you wonder dosent it

[lenton1163]

yes i watched it found it very interesting what will the dogs be like in another 100 years if there are any left :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[celtic]

It showed how irresponsible some breeders are, the couple who continue to breed boxers who have a genetic heart fault were a prime example, there stud dog had sired over 800 pups and showed no signs of withdrawing him from stud duties even though they know his problem.

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

SHOWS YOU THEY DONT CARE STILL MAKING MONEY OF THEM . MONEY TALKS..////

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I used to breed and exhibit Boxers. It was very difficult to find suitable studs from within the schemes that are set up and used by all responsible breeders. We had to be careful about an illness, PA, which originated in the 1950's, but wasn't discovered until 1980's. Retrospective genetic work, etc discovered the possible origin, but given the timescale you could imagine the number of top studs affected.

Heart problems exist in many breeds and the Boxer is no different. There is a scheme for this and regular testing is carried out. Align both these schemes together and it becomes difficult to find a stud which meets all the high end spec and this is what you would be required to use especially if your *expletive removed* was a bit further down the spec.

After producing the pups, you then had to find a vet who would dock them. We used to be allowed to do this, ceded it to the vets, then they pronounced it un-ethical. It is now illegal in most European countries.

Don't know anything about the specific case mentioned and I didn't see the programme.

[tyson]

what channel was it on

[geordie1234]

It's the same with my Bedlington terrier they produce too much copper in ther liver I believe.

[Roland]

anyone watch the programme about pedigree dogs and how all these nasty deformities and diseases are effecting them?quite an eye opener its all to do with inbreeding and using one dog as a stud for many breeders.

 

I've been harping on for yonks regards the senseless and over doing, especially by so many not having an inkling of how and why in regards the incest breeding of our pigeons... and why they are so inferior to birds of yesteryear etc. etc

[tyson]

I had a boxer *expletive removed* that died from j.k.d (juvinile kidney disease ) in 2010 bred by walkon boxers the sire being walkon champion Made an Issue this dog has sired hundreds of puppies but the breeder will not admit there is a problem at the end of the day it is to do with money money money

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

TYSON.THE VETS MUST NO ABOUT THIS .BUT I THINK YOUR RIGHT MATE ITS ALL DOWN TO MONEY. MONEY. MONEY. MATE.///

[tyson]

the people who own walkon boxers he is a vet and olso on the boxer council

[dwh]

GLAD TO HEAR THE WORD SOME BEING USED 3 YEARS AGO

WE BOUGHT A TIBETAN TERRIER FROM "ARAKI"

THE MAN [KEN SINCLAIR] WAS A GENTLEMAN EXPLAINED EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BREED LISTENED AND ANSWERED ALL RELEVANT QUESTIONS

THEN PROCEEDED TO "VET" US TO SEE IF WE WERE SUITABLE FOR THE DOG

THE PUP WAS PICKED UP WITH A VETS CHECK AND ITS FIRST JAB

EYE AND HIP SCORE AND KC REGISTERED

I WILL SAY B4 YOU BUY CHECK THE SOURCE OF YOUR BREED

[LADYBIRD]

It showed how irresponsible some breeders are, the couple who continue to breed boxers who have a genetic heart fault were a prime example, there stud dog had sired over 800 pups and showed no signs of withdrawing him from stud duties even though they know his problem.

 

 

 

It also revealed the father of the dog that had bred all these pups had sired a lot of pups with the heart defect

[tyson]

walkon boxers have just reared a litter of pups brother & sister mating this is what is causing the biggest problem in the breed to much inbreeding but they will take your money but when anything goes wrong they wont compensate you my dog was 18mths when diagnosed with jkd and was only 3yrs old when we had to put her to sleep as with this desease they just waste away its time something was done to stop all this

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

TWO MANY COWBOYS GOING ABOUT . I WITH LETTERS AFTER THERE NAMES.///

[GhEtToStar]

Stay away from show dogs and the people that show them the only way to stop it is to put them out of business i would rather have a dog with no champions in its pedigree or without a pedigree compared to 1 with X amount of champions thats so inbred it wil cost a fortune in vet bills and cost you double the price to buy.The american cocker spaniel is so inbred there skulls are too small for there brains causing severe fits and death the same reason they taken crufts off the tv

[Guest geordiejen]

what channel was it on

it was on bbc4 mate you can get it on the i player now.

[Guest geordiejen]

the worst of the lot was the king charles spaniels.or even the pitbull terriers to whom they were making the head a different shape.this was deforming their airways and making the dogs have difficulty breathing.all this was coming out when the dogs were 2 or 3 yeasrs old.the spaniels were the worst with getting brains that were too big for their skulls.my advice would be not to buy dogs from breeders who wish to exhibit dogs in shows.after all im a pigeon showman and at the end of the day all rossettes and certs lie in a drawere in my bedroom but its the welfare of the pigeon which is upmost.the kennel club dont want to admit these thingd are happening.

[yeboah]

Never owned a pedigree dog and never will ,always owned mongrels and find that they are miles in front when it comes to brains ,got loads of mates with pedigree dogs and they are always at the vets also find they are on average as thick as mince (the dogs i mean ) And another thing if you don't use them for showing why pay hundreds of hard earned pounds when the dog homes are giving them away.

[Guest geordiejen]

always had mongrels myself too mate.had one for 17 years with nowt wrong with it.if i were to go for another dog then it would be the cat and dog home i would go to.

[dwh]

Never owned a pedigree dog and never will ,always owned mongrels and find that they are miles in front when it comes to brains ,got loads of mates with pedigree dogs and they are always at the vets also find they are on average as thick as mince (the dogs i mean ) And another thing if you don't use them for showing why pay hundreds of hard earned pounds when the dog homes are giving them away.

I HAVE A TIBETAN TERRIER FROM ARAKI

A TOP BREEDER, A GENTLEMAN AND A BREEDER WHO DOES'NT JUST BREED WILLY NILLY

HE ASKS AS MANY QUESTION ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SITUATION AS YOU DO ABOUT HIM AND HIS DOGS

DON'T TAR ALL BREEDERS WITH THE SAME BRUSH

AS TO WHY WE BUY PEDIGREE BECAUSE YOUR GETTING WHAT YOU WANT

A HEALTHY INTELLIGENT PET TO A CERTAIN TYPE AND TEMPEREMENT

AND B4 WE BECOME HYPOCRITES WHO ON HERE HAS NEVER INBRED IN THE HOPE WE CAN REPRODUCE PAST GLORY

BY NO MEANS AM I DEFENDING THESE DODGY PUPPY FARMING BASSA'S AS I AM AS HORRIFIED AS THE REST

AT THEM

JMHO

[GhEtToStar]

True m8 we do sometimes inbreed the birds but the closest iv inbred my birds is grandaughter to grandfather i wouldnt dream of putting father to daughter but im sure alot have

[Guest Owen]

The major beneficiaries of all this are the Vets who are cleaning up as a result of people's ignorance about the state of these dogs. I reckon that once the gene for a disease has become part of a dog's make up it will pass it on to any pups it has regardless of what breed is involved. If I am right even cross breeding will not rectify the situation.

I know that some breeds are far worse than others so perhaps the ones that are prone to defects should be made known to the Public so that they can be avoided. The Breeders have ruined working breeds such as German Shepherds and Dobermans and they are now working on spoiling Border Collies. In our area there are loads of Huskies which seem to be the fashion right now. Another popular breed are the Bull breeds. I regard many of them as being mentally impaired in many cases because it definitely is not natural for dogs to want to fight each other to the death as many of these do. It is one thing for a dog to want to protect it's home and territory but something else when it becomes a raving lunatic in it's attempts inflict serious damage on other dogs or small livestock.It is obvious that people are making plenty of money from breeding and selling what ever is in fashion these days. It probably means that in a few years these relatively healthy breeds will suffer from genetically created diseases just like most other breeds. I think it would be a good idea to have the Vets neuter all dogs that show any sign of problems so that they can not pass their weaknesses on to future generations. Then perhaps there should be an Inspectorate to examine all studs before they are allowed to sire pups to stop poor specimens being used to create even greater problems in the future. I find it interesting that the RSPCA are prepared to invade people like Bilco on some wild goose chase while they happily ignore the Puppy Farms who are causing so many problems with terrible breeding techniques and down right cruelty to the breeding stock.

[billt]

As a former Pro. breeder of dogs I would say that was a very good post by Owen and what a shame we can't continue with the same thinking as regards the human race