Another Charity

[VAGIN]

I dont know how other members feel, but on this site when one charity appeal finishes another seems to be waiting to take its place,

I dont have a problem donating to any charities of my choice. I just feel its getting a bit much everytime you switch on theres someone else handing out the begging bowl. Times are hard for us all in this finacial climate just now. Maybe if we donated a little more into our own problms in the sport It could work to the fanciers advantage. Please dont think I am charity bashing as this is nnot the intent of this post.

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

YOU ARE RIGHT WE HAVE A GOVERMENT THAT SIT BACK AND DOO NOTHING LAST WEEK THEY WERE PARTY ONLY A £1000.A HEAD .SAY NO MORE MATE.

[dwh]

see your point but you don't have to bid/donate

[lvlasked]

thats true dwh but why dont we start helping the sport for once people in the sport/hobby always moaning about the problems but most ant willing todo nothing just my thoughts but im willing to donate to any Charity i think worth my time

[DJWa]

I dont know how other members feel, but on this site when one charity appeal finishes another seems to be waiting to take its place,

I dont have a problem donating to any charities of my choice. I just feel its getting a bit much everytime you switch on theres someone else handing out the begging bowl. Times are hard for us all in this finacial climate just now. Maybe if we donated a little more into our own problms in the sport It could work to the fanciers advantage. Please dont think I am charity bashing as this is nnot the intent of this post.

 

this has been brought up by a few members in pms

the main question ive been asked is why the charity fund

is not run like it used to be

where there was a couple of auctions during the year to raise funds

then when a request for a donation is made to the site

it was looked at and any donation given was decided on by a team/comittee

which in my opinion should consist of 3 to 5 ordinary members

no mods or admin on team

 

there would still be auctions for good causes but this would reduce the

ongoing ones

at this moment in time there are 2 asking for donations and one 1 running

 

ive donated to charity auction and purchased on them

so i am not against them, anything but

just trying to see if they can be run better

this is not a dig at ian who does a good job aranging these auctions

 

jmo dave

[Guest IB]

It's a sad fact of life that there is always someone in need. It is very hard for an individual to support every worthy cause, but this Site does all it can to help. One way is by having no more than one Charity sale running per week. Obviously if there have been a number of requests received, then they will run one following another, as soon as the first is ended.

[sapper756]

The site has supported quite a few charities already this year, all of which have been for good causes. How ever, we all have the choice as to whether we donate to, or bid/buy from these charity sales. I know it must be difficult for the site owners to turn down people when they approach them, and request a charity sale be considered, this is some thing I personally would not like to have to say yes/no to.

 

Maybe in future the site could consider supporting a certain number of charity sales per year, and stick to this. ie, one every quarter, which would mean that through the year the site would support a maximum of 4 sales. JMO

This would only be for those sales that the site requests donations of birds. JMO

 

The site prides its self on the charities it has helped in the past and the generosity of it,s members, long may this continue! JMO

[DJWa]

It's a sad fact of life that there is always someone in need. It is very hard for an individual to support every worthy cause, but this Site does all it can to help. One way is by having no more than one Charity sale running per week. Obviously if there have been a number of requests received, then they will run one following another, as soon as the first is ended.

 

youve just made my point ian

if there was a few large auctions to build up the charity fund

then there would be no need for all these auctions

they would just apply to the site fund for a donation to said charity

[DJWa]

The site has supported quite a few charities already this year, all of which have been for good causes. How ever, we all have the choice as to whether we donate to, or bid/buy from these charity sales. I know it must be difficult for the site owners to turn down people when they approach them, and request a charity sale be considered, this is some thing I personally would not like to have to say yes/no to.

 

Maybe in future the site could consider supporting a certain number of charity sales per year, and stick to this. ie, one every quarter, which would mean that through the year the site would support a maximum of 4 sales. JMO

This would only be for those sales that the site requests donations of birds. JMO

 

The site prides its self on the charities it has helped in the past and the generosity of it,s members, long may this continue! JMO

 

i agree with you brian

just saying it would be easier if a fund was built up and donations made from it

that way you would not need to limit the amount of donations given out

when the fund dropped below a certain point then another auction would be arranged

[just ask me]

in fairness a lot of members were raging at admin and mods and asked the site to do something about charity sales after there was a mis hap a while back in a sale that the site took no hand or part in apart from letting it be run on the forum when the mishap happened the fingers were pointed at the site at admin and mods which we took no hand or part in the sale a lot of people were saying we should have greater control etc

 

 

 

once the end of this month comes the sales will slow down big time i myself think it gives everybody buy in some great stock only have too look at the quality of bird in the 2 sales that are for sick children as good as you will get anywhere

 

 

my own opinion the threads are there like any thread if your not interested in them you don't have too look

 

 

i really cant see the problem in having a sale for that special child most charity sales are run with someone in mind

 

 

if there is a charity sale too much it will be looked at

[Ian McKay]

I understand your concern but it's a sad fact of life as the government tightens it's belt the poor or lesser able will feel the pinch more than some

 

I watch Sky a lot and am shocked at the amount of charities appealing on there,Dogs,Donkeys,Leopards,children ect ,ect

 

Some questions in my head are:

How much do these adverts cost?

How much is passed on to the actual bodies concerned?

 

Last year PB raised approx £13,000 which went to charities the biggest being H 4 H

 

We have two sales for unfortunate children one running now the next to follow

Our last two were Anna Flaws and LMHA, Anna a nurse who has being rejected by her health board for a special treatment this is a lady who has helped sick people all her life

 

I can assure all with concerns Pigeon Basics gift's 100% of income to the charity

 

 

There are further concerns to be addressed in the future as to how much can be raised on the forum for Charities,Clubs, Fanciers.

[dal2]

I dont know how other members feel, but on this site when one charity appeal finishes another seems to be waiting to take its place,

I dont have a problem donating to any charities of my choice. I just feel its getting a bit much everytime you switch on theres someone else handing out the begging bowl. Times are hard for us all in this finacial climate just now. Maybe if we donated a little more into our own problms in the sport It could work to the fanciers advantage. Please dont think I am charity bashing as this is nnot the intent of this post.

 

Dinny open a charity sale thread then you will not be affected by its information!!!!!!

[BLACK W F]

in fairness a lot of members were raging at admin and mods and asked the site to do something about charity sales after there was a mis hap a while back in a sale that the site took no hand or part in apart from letting it be run on the forum when the mishap happened the fingers were pointed at the site at admin and mods which we took no hand or part in the sale a lot of people were saying we should have greater control etc

 

 

 

once the end of this month comes the sales will slow down big time i myself think it gives everybody buy in some great stock only have too look at the quality of bird in the 2 sales that are for sick children as good as you will get anywhere

 

 

my own opinion the threads are there like any thread if your not interested in them you don't have too look

 

 

i really cant see the problem in having a sale for that special child most charity sales are run with someone in mind

 

 

if there is a charity sale too much it will be looked at

great reply and as you say many get a chance to buy stock that normally would not be sold

and yes our sport is at a stage where it needs to help itself but look at the petision how many have bothered to sign it not many

also if you want to donate then donate if you want to buy buy funny i notice most of the times the ones moaning never donate or buy

funny game pigeons

[WulDon]

these charity auctions are a great idea for the less fortunate with health, like said before it is purely optional whether you look, bid or buy! from a fanciers point of view the selection of pigeons offered for these special sales would never come under the hammer otherwise, giving us all the opportunity to purchase something quite unique in most cases

 

from a personal point of view it would be good to see a 'fund' of some description started for fighting the raptor problem, something we are all touched by and a problem that is slowly but surely going to end our great sport! just a thought...

[just ask me]

i get both your points lads about the raptor problem and raptor fund and i agree with you 2 100% but dont let it get away from the great work that has been done that is something that is a entirely different matter and needs to be looked at

 

even if there was a raptor sale im not even sure where the money would go i think a separate thread should be opened for the idea

[Blue Chequer Pied]

I dont know how other members feel, but on this site when one charity appeal finishes another seems to be waiting to take its place,

I dont have a problem donating to any charities of my choice. I just feel its getting a bit much everytime you switch on theres someone else handing out the begging bowl. Times are hard for us all in this finacial climate just now. Maybe if we donated a little more into our own problms in the sport It could work to the fanciers advantage. Please dont think I am charity bashing as this is nnot the intent of this post.

 

 

Gavin,

 

There is a very simple solution to this. Don't bother looking at the threads, simple!. Charity sales are an opportunity to help those less fortunate than ourselves. I certainly have not got out the 'begging bowl' as you so elequantly put it. Also only asked fanciers for donations when I saw them. The people who have contributed to my 'begging bowl' are all my friends and only too willing to help and I can assure you nobody is under any pressure to bid. Having said that the people who are so generously putting money into the begging bowl are doing so of their own free will and will be getting some top class pigeons for doing so.

 

You talk about donating to help our own problems in the sport, one of which I see is that the people who do nothing within the sport are too quick to criticise those who do all the work. Maybe if you thought before getting onto your soap box these sales do help to promote our sport by winning the 'hearts and minds' of many people who they help. I would buy in some yb's to try out every year. If I can do so and help somebody who needs it then I am happy. As for the financial climate, you are right people are struggling so taking a 3 year old boy to Disney land before he looses his sight is outwith the reach of an awful lot of families at the present time but if I can help in anyway I will and I am proud of how my friends have rallied round in order to help too.

 

Like I said Gavin, just don't open the threads and you won't get upset by people who are trying to do some good!

 

Paul Thomson.

[DJWa]

in fairness a lot of members were raging at admin and mods and asked the site to do something about charity sales after there was a mis hap a while back in a sale that the site took no hand or part in apart from letting it be run on the forum when the mishap happened the fingers were pointed at the site at admin and mods which we took no hand or part in the sale a lot of people were saying we should have greater control etc

 

 

 

once the end of this month comes the sales will slow down big time i myself think it gives everybody buy in some great stock only have too look at the quality of bird in the 2 sales that are for sick children as good as you will get anywhere

 

 

my own opinion the threads are there like any thread if your not interested in them you don't have too look

 

 

i really cant see the problem in having a sale for that special child most charity sales are run with someone in mind

 

 

if there is a charity sale too much it will be looked at

just trying to be constructive here jam

there will always be sales/auctions for good causes

just saying that would it not be an idea to have a couple of large fundraisers at the start of the year

so that some of these great causes can be helped from out of there

 

look at the h4h auctions as ian says they raised thousands

if they were done yearly you would have a large pot to divide out during the year

this is the time to discuss these type of thing so if any changes are to be made them you have the whole year to impliment them if required

[Blue Chequer Pied]

Davie you have plenty of ideas and opinions. Why don't you organise and run something yourself. Just a thought!

[sapper756]

Personally, when the information comes up informing us why a specific charity sale is being held. I thank god that I am not personally suffering from the illness/conditions that the recipients of such sales are having to cope/live with, also the fact that I am at home with my family and friends, and not in a war zone, putting my life on the line on a daily basis.

And it is because of this self reflection, that I decide for a very little cost to myself, I will offer a youngster or often a pair of youngsters, for such great causes.

If this is the least I can do,, then I am happy to do it. This is simply my opinion, and my explanation as to why I believe supporting charity sales is important, Heaven forbid, if the day comes that any one of us or our precious family members, need funds or support to help us/them through difficult times. JMO

 

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[tiger]

Personally, when the information comes up informing us why a specific charity sale is being held. I thank god that I am not personally suffering from the illness/conditions that the recipients of such sales are having to cope/live with, also the fact that I am at home with my family and friends, and not in a war zone, putting my life on the line on a daily basis.

And it is because of this self reflection, that I decide for a very little cost to myself, I will offer a youngster or often a pair of youngsters, for such great causes.

If this is the least I can do,, then I am happy to do it. This is simply my opinion, and my explanation as to why I believe supporting charity sales is important, Heaven forbid, if the day comes that any one of us or our precious family members, need funds or support to help us/them through difficult times. JMO

 

Lets be proud of the generosity PB members have shown when requires

ur 100 % MATE

[DJWa]

Davie you have plenty of ideas and opinions. Why don't you organise and run something yourself. Just a thought!

no authority to do so paul and ians doing fine

site rules state that any charity auction have to be run by ian/admin/mods

 

ive not critisised anyone or any need for any auctions paul

just having a discussion as to how and if any improvements can

or should be made

 

is that not what the threads about ???/

[Ian McKay]

We have an Arson / Criminal damage fund for pigeon fanciers it is MEMBERS who decide the payments I am classed as a Mod because I organise it but am the ONLY one

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

IAN. Mc.KAY .IS DOOING A GREAT JOB.

[Blue Chequer Pied]

no authority to do so paul and ians doing fine

site rules state that any charity auction have to be run by ian/admin/mods

 

ive not critisised anyone or any need for any auctions paul

just having a discussion as to how and if any improvements can

or should be made

 

is that not what the threads about ???/

 

To be honest I don't know what the thread is trying to achieve. In one ofv your earlier post's you state how things should be done, sorry i meant that was asked of you in pm's. If you are not happy with the way things are run why don't you offer your services to the admin team and see if they would like you to help them out. Everybody want's change but nobody is willing to change

 

IAN. Mc.KAY .IS DOOING A GREAT JOB.

 

Absolutely spot on Tooshy :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[DJWa]

To be honest I don't know what the thread is trying to achieve. In one ofv your earlier post's you state how things should be done, sorry i meant that was asked of you in pm's. If you are not happy with the way things are run why don't you offer your services to the admin team and see if they would like you to help them out. Everybody want's change but nobody is willing to change

 

 

 

Absolutely spot on Tooshy :emoticon-0137-clapping:

never said i wasnt happy with the way things were run

just after the matter was raised

i thought i would throw a few ideas into the hat for discussion

i see your upset at the thought of discussing it by your replys

but cannot honestly see why

as ive not critisised anyone on the running of charity auctions

even saying a thought they were doing a good job