Chlorine

[victorious]

I was informed by a fancier friend that when treating the birds worming cankering etc to make sure to boil the water to kill the clorine in it as it reacts with the chemicals in the treatment and renders the treatment useless any expert opionions on this please.

[greenlands]

Always put my birds water up the day before whether I'm treating or not,chlorine will dissipate over 24 hours.

[andy Burgess]

I was informed by a fancier friend that when treating the birds worming cankering etc to make sure to boil the water to kill the clorine in it as it reacts with the chemicals in the treatment and renders the treatment useless any expert opionions on this please.

well i can give an opinion , wether considered an expert , probably far from it . the information youve been given is good . however you dont need to boil it , i store my water in large 4 litre soft drink container,s for 24 hours prior to the birds getting it , the chlorine within will and does disapate . best of luck .

[shugf2003]

Read this article a while back

Chlorine, a wonderful element for maintaining seasonal lasting health. It can also be the number one cause for lowering a pigeon’s seasonal lasting level of health.

I have seen it so many times in both the UK and Ireland, fanciers using unfiltered tap water to treat or administer medications to their birds. Chlorine is a very strong chemical that can change the chemistry identity of certain products making them a lethal toxin, as many of you already know this but in most cases pigeon diseases are transmitted via the birds drinking water.

When you are treating your birds, whatever your flavor may be use filtrated water, to treat with regular unfiltered tap chlorinated water you are just flying blindfolded and just throwing away your hard earned money on expensive products. You are not really getting to the core of the treatment, yes a number of your birds are going to be treated but there are also a number of your birds that are just not receiving the adequate chemical ingredients from the product that they need to be a success in health, hence, you are destined for seasonal brake in health.

 

When you see lofts braking down during the season 98% of the time is because of poor product administration, your birds have started off great showing vigorous signs of health and half way through the season your birds are down showing clear signs of sickness of which you originally thought you combated this in the beginning with the appropriate treatment but the fact is a very clear and simple one, you weakened and in many cases changed the solution content with Chlorinated tap water.

 

Just as so many you are aware of the benefits of probiotics and the build up of a birds immune system after administration of harsh antibiotics, you must also be aware that your regular Chlorinated tap water is setting you up for seasonal health failure among your birds when used to administrate or treat your birds.

 

As so many of you are guilty of this, so was I at one point in time, treating my birds, looking good for the season and into the first half of the season my birds would be down showing clear signs of illness and again like so may fanciers would also be reaching, grasping for possible causes and any possible treatments, once again flying blind just not knowing what to do. I'm sure many of you have found yourself in this situation.

 

The treatment for seasonal health is to administrate correctly and use a carbon filter over your pigeon tap water, to remove all traces of Chlorine, once your birds are treated correctly you can remove the carbon filter because Chlorine also has many added benefits, but during any form of treatment it’s an absolute No No.

 

When I was first told all about Chlorine, I personally thought it was just another fancier’s opinion in regards marinating pigeon health, since enforcing and conditioning myself to take the correct steps when administrating medicine and treatments, I have to tell you I have not had a seasonal health brake down in over 10 years.

 

It's such an easy thing to do, administrate correctly because your birds will maintain seasonal health.

 

Keeping them healthy!

[greenlands]

Good post mate.

Lindsay

[Tony C]

There's some medicines that instruct you not to use tap water but use deionised water, Ornicure http://www.oropharma.nl/gauss/Pages/EN/Duiven/Producten/Ornicure.htm is one such medicine.

 

I also believed letting water stand for 24 hours dissipated the chlorine but IB put a post on here some time back stating that most water authorities now use a different chemical other than chlorine which doesn't dissipate or if it does it does so at a much slower rate. Whether this chemical renders medicines useless I dont know.

 

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

Shug although copied that article contradicts itself don't use fresh water when medicating but use it every day your not it has good effect . Birds naturally sip water to detect if safe to drink or not , but then again a bird will drink from a puddle or a pond or river my drinkers hold 3 days water so am i 1/3 wrong 2/3rd right but then again most diseases / ailments are passed via the water , it be fine for 24 hours whilst chlorine is active and not for 48 hours , but on a flip side are birds building up immunity naturally for 2 days and get a rest whilst the chlorine is in the water

[andy Burgess]

There's some medicines that instruct you not to use tap water but use deionised water, Ornicure http://www.oropharma.nl/gauss/Pages/EN/Duiven/Producten/Ornicure.htm is one such medicine.

 

I also believed letting water stand for 24 hours dissipated the chlorine but IB put a post on here some time back stating that most water authorities now use a different chemical other than chlorine which doesn't dissipate or if it does it does so at a much slower rate. Whether this chemical renders medicines useless I dont know.

yes Tony , and maybe applicable to your area specifically , in Wales and many area,s of Scotland where soft water is present the additives arent as severe .

[Tony C]

I think its also worth mentioning that giving pigeons probiotics with tap water also has a negative effect.

[REDCHEQHEN]

I wonder how many people on here let tap water stand for 24 hours before taking their own tablets, antibiotics etc

 

 

Although I do it for the birds I NEVER do it for myself - and I have never seen it on the Chemist's labels

[billt]

I wonder how many people on here let tap water stand for 24 hours before taking their own tablets, antibiotics etc

 

 

Although I do it for the birds I NEVER do it for myself - and I have never seen it on the Chemist's labels

Correct

[andy Burgess]

I wonder how many people on here let tap water stand for 24 hours before taking their own tablets, antibiotics etc

 

 

Although I do it for the birds I NEVER do it for myself - and I have never seen it on the Chemist's labels

all but one of my tablets are coated to break down when inside , the exception is a dispersable aspirin , which is disolved in water prior to taking . understand your point Sue , but they are diffrent . and so are we

[victorious]

Read this article a while back

Chlorine, a wonderful element for maintaining seasonal lasting health. It can also be the number one cause for lowering a pigeon’s seasonal lasting level of health.

I have seen it so many times in both the UK and Ireland, fanciers using unfiltered tap water to treat or administer medications to their birds. Chlorine is a very strong chemical that can change the chemistry identity of certain products making them a lethal toxin, as many of you already know this but in most cases pigeon diseases are transmitted via the birds drinking water.

When you are treating your birds, whatever your flavor may be use filtrated water, to treat with regular unfiltered tap chlorinated water you are just flying blindfolded and just throwing away your hard earned money on expensive products. You are not really getting to the core of the treatment, yes a number of your birds are going to be treated but there are also a number of your birds that are just not receiving the adequate chemical ingredients from the product that they need to be a success in health, hence, you are destined for seasonal brake in health.

 

When you see lofts braking down during the season 98% of the time is because of poor product administration, your birds have started off great showing vigorous signs of health and half way through the season your birds are down showing clear signs of sickness of which you originally thought you combated this in the beginning with the appropriate treatment but the fact is a very clear and simple one, you weakened and in many cases changed the solution content with Chlorinated tap water.

 

Just as so many you are aware of the benefits of probiotics and the build up of a birds immune system after administration of harsh antibiotics, you must also be aware that your regular Chlorinated tap water is setting you up for seasonal health failure among your birds when used to administrate or treat your birds.

 

As so many of you are guilty of this, so was I at one point in time, treating my birds, looking good for the season and into the first half of the season my birds would be down showing clear signs of illness and again like so may fanciers would also be reaching, grasping for possible causes and any possible treatments, once again flying blind just not knowing what to do. I'm sure many of you have found yourself in this situation.

 

The treatment for seasonal health is to administrate correctly and use a carbon filter over your pigeon tap water, to remove all traces of Chlorine, once your birds are treated correctly you can remove the carbon filter because Chlorine also has many added benefits, but during any form of treatment it’s an absolute No No.

 

When I was first told all about Chlorine, I personally thought it was just another fancier’s opinion in regards marinating pigeon health, since enforcing and conditioning myself to take the correct steps when administrating medicine and treatments, I have to tell you I have not had a seasonal health brake down in over 10 years.

 

It's such an easy thing to do, administrate correctly because your birds will maintain seasonal health.

 

Keeping them healthy!

 

fantastic article iam goin to print this and keep it in my scrap book its brilliant thank you for sharing this iam sure if a lot of fanciers got the hold of this article it would go no further it would be kept to themselves once again many thanks this should be read by all its the answer i was lookin for.

[victorious]

fantastic article iam goin to print this and keep it in my scrap book its brilliant thank you for sharing this iam sure if a lot of fanciers got the hold of this article it would go no further it would be kept to themselves once again many thanks this should be read by all its the answer i was lookin for.

[soupie]

i think most water companys use Chloramine nowadays, as it doesn't disapate from the water like chorline

[greenlands]

i think most water companys use Chloramine nowadays, as it doesn't disapate from the water like chorline

 

Adding chloramine to the water supply can increase exposure to lead in drinking water, especially in areas with older housing; this exposure can result in increased lead levels in the bloodstream and can pose a significant health risk.

There is also evidence that exposure to chloramine can contribute to respiratory problems, including asthma, among swimmers. Respiratory problems related to chloramine exposure are common and prevalent among competitive swimmers. Chloramine use, together with chlorine dioxide, ozone, and ultraviolet, has been described as a public health concern and an example of the outcome of poorly implemented environmental regulation. These methods of disinfection decrease the formation of regulated byproducts, which has led to their widespread use. However, they can increase the formation of a number of unregulated cytotoxic and genotoxic byproducts, some of which pose greater health risks than the regulated chemicals, causing such diseases as cancer, kidney disease, thyroid damageand birth defects.

 

Many animals are sensitive to chloramine and it must be removed from water given to many animals in zoos. Aquarium owners remove the chloramine from their tap water because it is toxic to fish. Aging the water for a few days removes chlorine but not the more stable chloramine, which can be neutralized using products available at pet stores.

 

I wonder what the authorities would think of this INFO then.

[Guest IB]

I think the change to chloramination of drinking water - chlorine + ammonia - was sparked by World Health Organisation work on chlorine reduction - we had a discussion on chlorine some years back, and chlorine is a scary story.

 

Any medication that I've ever given via drinker didn't say anything about letting chlorine dissipate overnight.

[victorious]

i only wish i had a well in the garden or i mite collect rain water now thats a thought no shortage of that lol.

[victorious]

Shug although copied that article contradicts itself don't use fresh water when medicating but use it every day your not it has good effect . Birds naturally sip water to detect if safe to drink or not , but then again a bird will drink from a puddle or a pond or river my drinkers hold 3 days water so am i 1/3 wrong 2/3rd right but then again most diseases / ailments are passed via the water , it be fine for 24 hours whilst chlorine is active and not for 48 hours , but on a flip side are birds building up immunity naturally for 2 days and get a rest whilst the chlorine is in the water

 

what about cheap bottled water out of lidles that should be okay i mite try something like that this year or else ther is a spring about 15 miles from me i could take 2 5 gallon water containers ther that should do me a while 24/30 birds.

[victorious]

what about cheap bottled water out of lidles that should be okay i mite try something like that this year or else ther is a spring about 15 miles from me i could take 2 5 gallon water containers ther that should do me a while 24/30 birds.

[shugf2003]

Another article

Before reading this article I would like to tell you that I DO NOT AGREE! with putting chlorine, bleach or any other chemical like that into your birds drinking water. These chemicals are toxic to the birds, in the article below you will notice that Dr. Marx states that after using the chlorine in his loft his loft was essentially disease free. I have no doubt that Dr. Marx’s birds were disease free because the chlorine will kill all bad bacterias in the birds however along with killing the “bad†bacteria the “Good†bacteria in the birds will also be destroyed which in turn will destroy the birds immune system and natural immunity to disease. Let me give you a little scenario lets say you chlorinate your birds drinking water in your loft yes your birds seem to be disease free but after drinking the chlorinated water your birds immune system becomes weak. Now lets say you ship your birds to a race and now your birds are kept in a basket for two to three days that doesnt chlorinate their water. Without the chlorine acting as an artificial immune system in the birds your birds own weakened immune system will be bombarded by normal bacteria from the new birds that they come in contact with. Now your birds are highly subseptable to new disease that normally the chlorine would have killed and so on and so fourth. My opinion when keeping pigeons is to only medicate when absoluetly necessary. Some fanciers in my opinion go overboard and weaken the natural immunity of their birds with artificial supplements. The reason why I posted the below article was to show you different ideas and opinions that fanciers have. Again I DO NOT agree with chlorinating your birds drinking water, in my opinion please use it for what is was meant for; a cleaning solution and a cleaning solution only.

 

The addition of common household bleach to the drinking water does, indeed, have beneficial effects on pigeon health.

 

This seems a little weird since the drinking of cholrinated water has negative implications in human health, especially with suggestions that it may be incriminated in the increased rate of cancer.

 

Chlorine is a strong chemical which binds to most organic molecules and can change their chemical identity, making some non-toxic compounds become toxic.

Personally, I use a filter on my drinking water which removes chlorine; but my pigeons drink a lot of it with what I percieve as beneficial effects.

 

NEVER PUT ANYTHING ELSE IN THE DRINKING WATER AT THE SAME TIME AS CHLORINE.

 

 

P.S the famous Janssen Bros only used water from a well

[greenlands]

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/vetdirectory/vetusa/drdavidmarx/chlorine.cfm

 

Lindsay

[Guest geordiejen]

i used a gutter in my old loft to which their was the downpipe with a 10 gallon bucket.i would take the water from it to give to the pigeons and nothing ever was wrong with my birds.i agree that rainwater is probably best but the unfortunate thing was migies were laying their eggs in it and i could see wee beasties swimming around and also lots of green slimy stuff so i stopped using it but it didnt seem to do any harm.

[victorious]

i used a gutter in my old loft to which their was the downpipe with a 10 gallon bucket.i would take the water from it to give to the pigeons and nothing ever was wrong with my birds.i agree that rainwater is probably best but the unfortunate thing was migies were laying their eggs in it and i could see wee beasties swimming around and also lots of green slimy stuff so i stopped using it but it didnt seem to do any harm.

[victorious]

very interesting thought sometimes i think we are to fussy and clean with our birds i once new a fancier whos birds drunk only in a stream beside the loft and believe me at the distance he was outstanding and yes sumtimes his birds went to drink ther before they entered the loft but he was that far in front it didnt matter much wish i had a stream beside my loft ive only the irish sea lol.