Where'S All The Lost Ybs?

[blucock]

If only fanciers would help each other. If there is a non-fancier with a bird there is surely a fancier in the same location could go along pick it up. If flown right out and skeletal,or badly injured as can happen we all know the sensible course of action there. If just a bit tired or lost the owner should send for it.Failing this any decent fancier should be able to give another mans bird a day or two's feed until either a courier or lift can be arranged or it is fit to be sent onward.

 

Fanciers need to help fanciers.

[wee eck]

The Fancy has one of the largest transport networks available to it. It's down to lack of co-operation that a proper pigeon repatriation system cannot be integrated into it.

 

There is also the legal side to consider, which places a duty of care on an owner of animal, irrespective of where that animal is. If it is lost and found and the owner makes no attempt to retrieve it, then that's abandonment, and the fine is £thousands, and, a penalty of being prevented from keeping animals again during your lifetime.

 

Stakes are therefore a lot higher than a few £40 deliveries. Said earlier, need to find out ASAP what is going wrong out there, and if it's within our power, put it right.

 

good answer but maybe simplified by suggesting things are going wrong !! it is a fact that the vast majority of pigeons regardless of their breeding / loft /training just aint good enough

[gorsy bank lofts]

Amazing with many losses over the last 3-4 weeks how few come home or are reported at all. I know some will say they would neck any stray that comes in because of disease or they get nowt thanks for reporting them but surely you can lift the phone and report a bird to the SHU or use the phone rings to make a phone call. We try to repatriate every pigeon that comes to us - here's hoping others don't condemn "a strag" as with the racing we've had an being YBs they deserve better..

 

any thoughts??

 

 

ive got some thoughts but wouldnt post them on here, . luckily only lost 2 ybs racing but lost a red pied cock 2weeks ago,11z 24428 he was coming really well and won club and scored in fed.

he turned up this morning without his ets ring and tel number, and his life ring cut off. so really is a waste of a good pigeon race wise. he will now go into the stock loft where im sure he will breed the goods.

i always try my best to get strays back into condition and back to there owners, but while we have low lifes in the sport like the one that had mine we will always wonder where they get to.

[just ask me]

ive got some thoughts but wouldnt post them on here, . luckily only lost 2 ybs racing but lost a red pied cock 2weeks ago,11z 24428 he was coming really well and won club and scored in fed.

he turned up this morning without his ets ring and tel number, and his life ring cut off. so really is a waste of a good pigeon race wise. he will now go into the stock loft where im sure he will breed the goods.

i always try my best to get strays back into condition and back to there owners, but while we have low lifes in the sport like the one that had mine we will always wonder where they get to.

 

 

for the life of me i cant understand why anybody would cut rings off a pigeon :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Had a few strays in this year! reported all on here and only one guy had his bird collected! the rest either said keep it or toss it up any where but most never even bothered to reply . my answer to the guy who said not to report anyone , Why should anyone else be left to look after other fanciers birds when they don`t care about them,if you can`t afford to send for them don`t race them .We all are in this same position.

 

absolutely spot on and so was Henrik

[frank-123]

Don't race them if you can't afford to send for them

You boys must be loaded that came away with that statement or agreed with it

 

Help your fellow fancier out report it and give the guy the option of disposal with no pressure to send for it

[geordie1234]

Don't race them if you can't afford to send for them

You boys must be loaded that came away with that statement or agreed with it

 

Help your fellow fancier out report it and give the guy the option of disposal with no pressure to send for it

well said Frank

 

Can ye imagine we had a bad race and say 10 of your pigeons got reported

[Guest TAMMY_1]

well said Frank

 

Can ye imagine we had a bad race and say 10 of your pigeons got reported

 

when I raced in Lanarkshire we had plenty bad races and any birds I ever had reported I either went for them or sent for them,I never once asked anybody to to dispose of any of my birds

[geordie1234]

when I raced in Lanarkshire we had plenty bad races and any birds I ever had reported I either went for them or sent for them,I never once asked anybody to to dispose of any of my birds

Im not saying a would ask anyone to dispose off my young yeens either i would go and get them too! But i would never MAKE someone come and get there doo i wouldnt put that on someone money is tight for some including me

[Roland]

I report every bird that enters my loft , I also collect NEHU and Shu strays up and liberate them 86 miles away once a month . BOPS are the biggest problem , poorly trained young birds are the next problem and thirdly too much crap being sent if young birds are singled up prior to racing then they have to use there own brains / instincts to get themselves home the biggest loss are the ones that follow other birds rather than use there own brains . I believe a lot of culls are carried to boost numbers and breeding from more birds to get numbers so are all of a same age rather than breed 2 or 3 rounds from your best birds , fanciers should rely more on quality than quantity , less is more , and birds that aren't propped up by the medicine cabinet will fair better long term . Also forgot to add a lot of young birds go down in corn fields and can take a long while until there harvested and come out

 

Agree with most. I also, as you know Mark, take great pains to get birds back to fanciers that don't want then, or better still can afford to keep them JUST, but not to lose them.

How many having, say lost 35, in a fly away can / could afford them all to be brought back? Very few I'd wager.

As for lack of training and teaching our feathered friends how to do what we haven't the faintest idea how they do it, is unreal to say the least.

Once allowed to complete their Ranging / roaming, and are kept conditioned, then there is nothing you can do to help them. To think otherwise is pure folly. Even more to the point if a bird can home fro 20 - 50 miles it can from anywhere, depending on fitness and the wanting to home. - Now that there is the biggest irk in our fancy, HAVING contented birds that WANT to home!

I remember the cussing when many didn't or could afford to train, and just sent - maybe a couple of 20 milers - how those that sent to Breaking Points, and toiled the road with worn out tire complained of being beaten nigh every week! It’s a fact! Then how their' birds brought the winner home and showed them the way... yep from well behind.

The scenario is rife with such, and very many successful fanciers never train a bird more than 20 miles tops, young or old. All we do is put miles under their wings, to get them race fit as so called to suit us... The how is the trick many never need to if their’ birds are loft fit and kept fresh!

[maverick]

Agree with most. I also, as you know Mark, take great pains to get birds back to fanciers that don't want then, or better still can afford to keep them JUST, but not to lose them.

How many having, say lost 35, in a fly away can / could afford them all to be brought back? Very few I'd wager.

As for lack of training and teaching our feathered friends how to do what we haven't the faintest idea how they do it, is unreal to say the least.

Once allowed to complete their Ranging / roaming, and are kept conditioned, then there is nothing you can do to help them. To think otherwise is pure folly. Even more to the point if a bird can home fro 20 - 50 miles it can from anywhere, depending on fitness and the wanting to home. - Now that there is the biggest irk in our fancy, HAVING contented birds that WANT to home!

I remember the cussing when many didn't or could afford to train, and just sent - maybe a couple of 20 milers - how those that sent to Breaking Points, and toiled the road with worn out tire complained of being beaten nigh every week! It’s a fact! Then how their' birds brought the winner home and showed them the way... yep from well behind.

The scenario is rife with such, and very many successful fanciers never train a bird more than 20 miles tops, young or old. All we do is put miles under their wings, to get them race fit as so called to suit us... The how is the trick many never need to if their’ birds are loft fit and kept fresh!

I think if you lost a large amount of young birds like that you would be glad to get them back just think how much time and money you have already spent to bring birds on and how much it would cost to replace them. I had a flyaway a few years ago and only got 2 reported i was gutted as that was a wasted years breeding remember guys these are your birds you have spent many hours rearing feeding training and how much that has already cost YOU

[kev01293]

i agree with henrick and eastcoaster,i always report strays but its amazing how many fanciers become pensioners when they pick the phone up,if ppl cant afford to send for THEIR birds then they shouldnt send em and then expect others to take care of em when they enter another loft or are found by a non fancier,i had a yb reported in millbrook by a non fancier and when i drove down to collect it the lady was suprised to see me as she had been told that pigeon fanciers never want them back, i reported a bird last year and was told it was of no use to him and then put the phone down on me without even saying goodbye and we all wonder why most lost birds dont get reported some fanciers can afford to breed,ring,feed,medicate,train and send large teams but cant afford to pay to have lost birds returned? our birds our problem and we shouldnt leave others to deal with it

[Roland]

I picked up three from 'Non Fanciers' inside 4 days just a little while ago as I posted. Have been called on umpteen times over the past years.

Locals fanciers pee me off even more... they want me to travell 2 -3 times farther than them to retrieve birds

Often saying they are at work in daytime... So next year / seaon, I ma telling the Fed sec, President to leave me out of those! Will collect local town Full stop. Isn't the time, fuel etc. so much as being used by ungratefull ignorant fanciers.

Upset one fancier big time that refused to even contact me after the RPRA had sent him my details... had his mobile on it's leg but as he didn't recognise the number wouldn't answer. after constantley ringing him non stop for a few hours he answer and said he'd just walked in! ON a mobile. Then he'd meant to contact me to say he didn't want the bird and would I do the 'Honours'!!! . I said fine, but tough, as I didn't think it was a 'Honour' and that if he didn't arrange it's return within 3 days I was sending C.O.D. by courier. He was gobsmacked and peeved off to say the least.

Amazes me how it is always their best bust that get lost! This was supposedly bred for him directlyby Jansenns in his own loft!

[kev01293]

i know what u mean roland, some fanciers just dont want to know and expect others to sort it for them,i know its £40 to send for them but its their bird not ours,saying that ive dealt with some fanciers who were happy to send for their birds but if they are flown out and just need feeding/resting then im happy to do that and chuck em up after a few days when they are ready,i had a 4 yr old in totally flown out from a channel race and the weather had taken a turn for the worse over the wk/end and the owner was over the moon when i rung him (it had a tel no ring on) and after a few days rest it was back home in cornwall under its own steam,the owner couldnt have been happier to get his bird back as it had always been reliable and he couldnt thank me enough for giving it a helping hand as they say there is good and bad in everything and pigeon racing is no different

[jonl6280]

one of ours from the yb national, was reported 130 miles of the coast of aberdeen on a oil rig!!

and it was let go this morning from peterhead!! still no sign of it and don't think i will ever again