Snfc Management

[tyson]

I suggest you go and look at a map with west in wind the bird would or should have run up the cherbourg peninsula and straight across for southampton not go west to falmouth in dorset

[Guest stb-]

falmouth and portland is away west of where our birds should have been crossing channel with west in the wind on the channel birds should have been hitting land around southampton or slightly east from there nowhere near falmouth or porland

southampton is only 18miles east of portland on a coastline that stretches 300 miles they coud have crossed any where we will never know , none of the birds have been on that west side of the channel before so hard to say where they crossed apart fom the first birds timed which have obviously taken as short a route as possible ,,

 

just reading renes post again and he mentioned banks of fog which means not all over so some might have got a clean run and the others not ,, as others have said got to do more to get it right as folk cant sustain the losses being incurred ,, any way i hope a lot more of the birds work home over the next week or so as a lot of the cream is missing

[frank-123]

Derek what is really pissin me of is the people who come on here after the event with all these theories and contacts who could have given info on the race route. Why do these people only post this information after the event?

 

if your referring to me

only posting information i received on Saturday night and i went to the bother of checking it out and getting someone to back it up

and by me posting has pissed you off

most of the snfc members are in the same frame of mind and are looking for an answer or theory on why our birds are lost so we can hopefully stop it happen again

or do we just except it and move on

[tyson]

southampton to portland straight line approx 50mls

[knoxjn]

something went wrong somewhere jim hannah is a good race controller you lanarkshire guys know that no chances are taken by him the convoyer also is first class so it must be the quality of info jim has access to if guys are known to members anywhere on the channel coast use them supply the info to the management committee we cant afford any more of these again we have good race controllers in most feds we dont all fly the same racepoints so we must have a good spread of people right down to the coast se them we have all winter to sort it out

[tyson]

frank if you read the post again this rene stated that the channel was closed out with fog but he know retracts that statement to say what our contact said 20mls visability could be fog on english side at falmouth/portland a big difference from what was said you have got to remember the birds were lib at 5.30am and probably would not reach the english coast for at least 4/5hours

[Henrik]

if your referring to me

only posting information i received on Saturday night and i went to the bother of checking it out and getting someone to back it up

and by me posting has pissed you off

most of the snfc members are in the same frame of mind and are looking for an answer or theory on why our birds are lost so we can hopefully stop it happen again

or do we just except it and move on

We are all looking for answers and prob wont ever get them as once you lib the birds you have no control over what happens, what I am saying is if you could contact "Rene" on the Sat night why could you not have supplied Jim and the race control team with his contact number before the race on Friday so they could have used his information as well?

[budgie]

Are we putting forward names for controllers who cannot interpret weather information.I suggest for the future, that controllers should go on Professional Course for Meteorological Tailored Tution to give them hands-on Experience for Weather Forecasting to understand and Interpret Weather Information and all costs paid for buy their Employers.

[Guest stb-]

We are all looking for answers and prob wont ever get them as once you lib the birds you have no control over what happens, what I am saying is if you could contact "Rene" on the Sat night why could you not have supplied Jim and the race control team with his contact number before the race on Friday so they could have used his information as well?

The simple answer to that is untill sat night there would have been no obvious reason until the race turned out a fk up , Rene has posted on here and other sites in the past that he is the geurnsay liberator and anyone can contact him for info on races , after the race has not went to plan people like Rene are the obvious ones folk are going to ask to try to find a reason

[Henrik]

Are we putting forward names for controllers who cannot interpret weather information.I suggest for the future, that controllers should go on Professional Course for Meteorological Tailored Tution to give them hands-on Experience for Weather Forecasting to understand and Interpret Weather Information and all costs paid for buy their Employers.

Aye I,m sure the Feds would all go for that one Andy and the members would willingly double or treble their fees to cover the cost and not a moan would be heard from anyone.

[Guest stb-]

frank if you read the post again this rene stated that the channel was closed out with fog but he know retracts that statement to say what our contact said 20mls visability could be fog on english side at falmouth/portland a big difference from what was said you have got to remember the birds were lib at 5.30am and probably would not reach the english coast for at least 4/5hours

I think you need to read properly ,,he never mentioned 20 mile vis

 

quoted from rene ,,i will make a point here by sayin that i ment thik fog in the channel closer to England sorry if i didnt explain it properly but still stand by what i said that i personaly would not of let the birds go in the forcast i had at the time.

 

dont think thats a retraction there think it looks more like he has clarified where he was saying there was a fog prob , was to the north of guernsey

[tyson]

have you not read rene last post he now says it was clear in the channel he agrees with our contact that there was atleast 20mls visability and not fog bound as he previously stated with a possability??? of coastal fog from falmouth to possably?? portland

[JADE]

well i for one wouldnt touch the controllers job with a barge pole after reading this. hindsight is a great thing and i bet if the snfc had held over on friday they would have been torn to bits for being too cautious. i still think it is more than just fog as if it was banks of fog as suggested a lot more of the birds would have gone around it and would be turning up now. most of the birds seem to have vanished off the face of the earth. another observation - eastbourne was liberated in a fresh west wind. how come there are birds being reported in wales and ireland? doos dont always do what you expect them to do

[tyson]

thankyou jade

[Guest rene]

frank if you read the post again this rene stated that the channel was closed out with fog but he know retracts that statement to say what our contact said 20mls visability could be fog on english side at falmouth/portland a big difference from what was said you have got to remember the birds were lib at 5.30am and probably would not reach the english coast for at least 4/5hours

 

 

i have not retracted anything in what i have put on the site just explained it the way i should of in the 1st place for me to see Alderney its 20 mile

[budgie]

Aye I,m sure the Feds would all go for that one Andy and the members would willingly double or treble their fees to cover the cost and not a moan would be heard from anyone.

 

 

Henrik

Lets go forward then and start raising funds.I will put up the last round of my Stock Birds which are now hatched from the Very Best of Deans (Bothwell)x Jim Cullen and all proceeds go to sending all controllers on the course which is Run By the Met/Office.Charity begins at home and lets start looking to the Future after all the Guys Nominated for the Controllers job are only Human and most are Guid Doomen.

Edited June 28, 2011 by budgie

[Henrik]

Henrik

Lets go forward then and start raising funds.I will put up the last round of my Stock Birds which are now hatched from the Very Best of Deans (Bothwell)x Jim Cullen and all proceeds go to sending all controllers on the course which is Run By the Met/Office.Charity begins at home and lets start looking to the Future after all the Guys Nominated for the Controllers job are only Human and most are Guid Doomen.

Yes Andy I,m all for that as well so maybe you should phone Andy Garven and put your offer to him and then we can go forward with it. I,m sure I could get some prominent fanciers from the East side to donate youngsters as well if you can sell this idea to Andy and John Houston. Worth a try

[tyson]

next thing you will have to be a meteroligist to be a race controller lets get real lads

[Delboy]

I suggest you go and look at a map with west in wind the bird would or should have run up the cherbourg peninsula and straight across for southampton not go west to falmouth in dorset

 

 

I suggest you look at the map, the shortest crossing from the tip of the peninsula is to Portland, although it is around 4 miles west of line of flight from Messac to the central belt of Scotland. The fact of the matter is, 53 birds are home after 3 days from 1159 and we are none the wiser.

[tyson]

rene you are retracting your original statement as you said it was thick fog throughout the channel then you agree with our contact ray osbourne that you could see 20mls and it was clear along the french coast right up through cherbourg peninsula so if that is not retracting I dont know what is?

[Delboy]

Ye know the *expletive removed* worst thing about all this, fk all will happen to prevent it happening again.People will come to accept this and the national will crumble.Everyone is always on the defensive instead of trying to get to the bottom of the problems. The `us and them' syndrome strikes again instead of everyone putting their heads together to sort it.WE ARE THE SNFC, THE MEMBERS AND THE COMMITTEE, SO LETS WORK TOGETHER.Nobody is pointing the finger here Peter, the race controllers job is a thankless one and im sure everyone would agree with that, so lets get things sorted.

[tyson]

this is what you saidhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/user/5760-rene/

[Guest IB]

If the birds did take the shortest crossing to Portland, I think there might have been trouble waiting there for the convoy.

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/46591-are-we-sharp/page__p__654650__hl__portland__fromsearch__1entry654650

[dal2]

Wot is it then fellas???? Is it the fog or the westerly position of Messac???

 

There are two threads running on here where a push for change of direction and races from Ypres and Liege on one and weather and controlling on this yin!

 

If the weather was as bad as Rene says then it must have been info problems as NOBODY would want tae let them up in fog!!!!! What possible gratification/pressure could make ANY controller let them up?

 

Other views suggest that the birds had never been on the west side and that somehow got them in a muddle???

I canny believe this, no way, Solway raced west for years and sent to easterly nats( yearlings included)!

 

So I am gan tae plump wae fog and bad info/comms!

 

Was the fog very patchy? Must have been if some seen it and some didny but on the other hand how did it result in MASSIVE losses wae nae stragglers? Did they all hit a fog bank except the low percentage that got thru?

 

My heeds pickled and my loft is decimated :cry-blow:

 

2 months ago I thought I had a crackin team for the water! now I am pig seek and dinny know if I can be bothered way it!!!!!!

[lanarkshire lad]

Wot is it then fellas???? Is it the fog or the westerly position of Messac???

 

There are two threads running on here where a push for change of direction and races from Ypres and Liege on one and weather and controlling on this yin!

 

If the weather was as bad as Rene says then it must have been info problems as NOBODY would want tae let them up in fog!!!!! What possible gratification/pressure could make ANY controller let them up?

 

Other views suggest that the birds had never been on the west side and that somehow got them in a muddle???

I canny believe this, no way, Solway raced west for years and sent to easterly nats( yearlings included)!

 

So I am gan tae plump wae fog and bad info/comms!

 

Was the fog very patchy? Must have been if some seen it and some didny but on the other hand how did it result in MASSIVE losses wae nae stragglers? Did they all hit a fog bank except the low percentage that got thru?

 

My heeds pickled and my loft is decimated :cry-blow:

 

2 months ago I thought I had a crackin team for the water! now I am pig seek and dinny know if I can be bothered way it!!!!!!

For me it must have been fog in the channel JMO ,Plus i dont think the race point helped the situation.