Snfc Programme 2012

[Delboy]

I think the national has alot of changes to make.I believe if the 2 inland nationals and the yb nat stay in the programme then they shouldnt be part of the averages.There could be a separate average for them. The SNFC was founded for distance racing and since these 3 races have came in with a view to get fanciers to join the SNFC and ultimately fly in the main event of the year, THE GOLD CUP RACE. This has not happened and I believe these inland races are detrimental( not financially ) to the SNFC credibility.Bring back combines and amalgamations for races at the 300 mile mark.Another alternative is to have a yearling national instead of the 2 inland races.Food for thought, what do you think ?

[Guest stb-]

have already said this before so agree with it still

[Guest bigda]

why not have the yearling race only as the gold cup, bring it back at bit shorter, you will have the birdage, then all ages 2 more races, you will have the best chance to make the recovery for the following year, if the yearling's will then be your second race candidates,

[alec guinness]

I think the national has alot of changes to make.I believe if the 2 inland nationals and the yb nat stay in the programme then they shouldnt be part of the averages.There could be a separate average for them. The SNFC was founded for distance racing and since these 3 races have came in with a view to get fanciers to join the SNFC and ultimately fly in the main event of the year, THE GOLD CUP RACE. This has not happened and I believe these inland races are detrimental( not financially ) to the SNFC credibility.Bring back combines and amalgamations for races at the 300 mile mark.Another alternative is to have a yearling national instead of the 2 inland races.Food for thought, what do you think ?

 

again delboy some very good points and maybe this year is the time for a rethink. :)

[alex wight]

i would like to see postal ballots for ALL members, as some cant make the agm due to other commitments or distance to travel. The SNFC has a duty to try and help the WHOLE membership. Some stability is needed regarding the race points, instead of chopping and changing. The foundations need to be solid so that future building can take place, get a programme that is voted on by the WHOLE membership, with the understanding that this remains for say a 5 year period. Being very new to national racing racing, it scares me to death, that i,m trying to build a team to compete, for it to be taken apart by what is happening at the moment. I have no confidence at the moment regarding distance racing, and i,m sure others are in the same boat. To see very experienced fanciers being hit just as hard as novices, it doesnt bode well for the future. Only my opinion.

 

Regards alex wight lochgelly.

[Guest bigda]

you could also spice it up abit, have your yearling race, then the winners in the first 50 in each section, they are to be saved, and put into the gold cup them yearlings only.

and then have the best 2 bird averages from the gold cup.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I personally feel the only way to create a race programme that is as fair as possible and best for the birds welfare is to put it in the hands of someone or an organisation who aren't actually members of the SNFC.

 

The membership will never decide on this as people will only vote on what suits them individually and not for the greater good.

 

A brief should be made-for example we want 1 inland race,4 channel races and a young bird race.

 

Information should be provided on all the racepoints used in the past and approximate stats on returns and where each of the section winners featured on the result etc.

The layout of Scotland's landscape,details of provailing winds and routes raced by the federations that make up each section and why these feds race these routes(natural hazards-BOPS etc) should also be taken into account.

 

The brief and all the information should be given to pigeon people outwith Scotland to create the SNFC a race programme.Be they English??Irish??Welsh??French?? thats irrelevant,the point is they should be totally impartial.

 

We should then stick to this programme for a minimum of 5 years,during which time birdages should be lowered,Prize money should be provided for the first three in each section and you should only pay fees for the races you enter.

[Delboy]

I personally feel the only way to create a race programme that is as fair as possible and best for the birds welfare is to put it in the hands of someone or an organisation who aren't actually members of the SNFC.

 

The membership will never decide on this as people will only vote on what suits them individually and not for the greater good.

 

A brief should be made-for example we want 1 inland race,4 channel races and a young bird race.

 

Information should be provided on all the racepoints used in the past and approximate stats on returns and where each of the section winners featured on the result etc.

The layout of Scotland's landscape,details of provailing winds and routes raced by the federations that make up each section and why these feds race these routes(natural hazards-BOPS etc) should also be taken into account.

 

The brief and all the information should be given to pigeon people outwith Scotland to create the SNFC a race programme.Be they English??Irish??Welsh??French?? thats irrelevant,the point is they should be totally impartial.

 

We should then stick to this programme for a minimum of 5 years,during which time birdages should be lowered,Prize money should be provided for the first three in each section and you should only pay fees for the races you enter.

 

 

SPOT ON

[blaz]

keep the 2 inlands and yb nat best avarages for the 3 say a silver sheild or something like that. the 3 of them bring in good money to help out in the longer races if birdage is down. it also brings in fanciers that fly mostly sprint middle distance birds. then the races from over the water race for avrages in all the channal races say a gold sheild. doing something like this helps keep the races that bring in the most money and helps a wider range of fanciers to race their birds in the S.N.F.C. i know it has been said that the S.N.F.C.was set up to race long distances and it might have been (as i don,t know full history) with their not being as meny fanciers as years ago i think it needs to move with the times. to me the S.N.F.C. means i get to race my by birds against fanciers from all over the scottish nation.

[Guest bigda]

We should then stick to this programme for a minimum of 5 years,during which time birdages should be lowered,Prize money should be provided for the first three in each section and you should only pay fees for the races you enter.

 

 

 

don't know if that part would be practical

as when the transporter turns up and there is only 10 members deciding to go, cant see that helping the snfc

[blucock]

Let's all jump up and down when i say this softly: Irish route, prevailing following wind = better returns, faster races. Only problem is south west fanciers would fly no further than around 350 miles?? I am absolutely convinced if we flew from there we would have vastly better racing. Maybe we have to take a huge look at the future of racing at "distance" as the attrition rate in recent years is vast. takes a team of 60 Obs to get through a season these days if you want to compete for the whole programme, you are lucky to finsih with 25 of these...

[chrissyboy1]

I personally think the Young Bird National should be from 170miles into the central belt area and should be the week after most Federation last race not two weeks.National shouldn't always be about distance as most Federations only fly to about 160miles and the jump is too much and discourages most to go.

The distance would encourage more fanciers to attend and give the birds a chance to home better.

People may say that the border birds would only be flying 100miles but again you are looking after the welfare of the birds.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

We should then stick to this programme for a minimum of 5 years,during which time birdages should be lowered,Prize money should be provided for the first three in each section and you should only pay fees for the races you enter.

 

 

 

don't know if that part would be practical

as when the transporter turns up and there is only 10 members deciding to go, cant see that helping the snfc

 

I feel unless the SNFC come up with something useful to spend the money on then there is nothing better it could be used for than making it more affordable for its current members and more atractive to prospective members.

 

Obviously it'd be ridiculous to just blow all the money throwing it around willy nilly but feel it would be of benefit long term if short term the birdages were lowered and good prize money was put up for every race.

Paying per race would attract many more fanciers and entries for certain events as well,as many don't want to pay a full subscription to enter only one or two races.The people who do want to enter every race would be no worst off as the current subscription would be divided up into fees of entry over all the races.

 

Basically if the SNFC is to have a bright future they need to do something to attract more members and raise the birdages in its channel races.If this means taking a hit financially,which everyone feels they are able to do,then don't you think this is the way to go??

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I feel unless the SNFC come up with something useful to spend the money on then there is nothing better it could be used for than making it more affordable for its current members and more atractive to prospective members.

 

Obviously it'd be ridiculous to just blow all the money throwing it around willy nilly but feel it would be of benefit long term if short term the birdages were lowered and good prize money was put up for every race.

Paying per race would attract many more fanciers and entries for certain events as well,as many don't want to pay a full subscription to enter only one or two races.The people who do want to enter every race would be no worst off as the current subscription would be divided up into fees of entry over all the races.

 

Basically if the SNFC is to have a bright future they need to do something to attract more members and raise the birdages in its channel races.If this means taking a hit financially,which everyone feels they are able to do,then don't you think this is the way to go??

 

You may or may not be right Lewis but at least someone is forward thinking,

 

With dwindeling numbers of fanciers in Scotland then perhaps we are not to far away from combining seceterial duties of the SHU and SNFC, members would then only have one fee to pay and automatically any member of the shu could send to any race and not be left out from the Gold cup and other channel races because they did not pay there fee for 31st April. :rolleyes:

[bullcock]

I think the national has alot of changes to make.I believe if the 2 inland nationals and the yb nat stay in the programme then they shouldnt be part of the averages.There could be a separate average for them. The SNFC was founded for distance racing and since these 3 races have came in with a view to get fanciers to join the SNFC and ultimately fly in the main event of the year, THE GOLD CUP RACE. This has not happened and I believe these inland races are detrimental( not financially ) to the SNFC credibility.Bring back combines and amalgamations for races at the 300 mile mark.Another alternative is to have a yearling national instead of the 2 inland races.Food for thought, what do you think ?

Hi Del

The idea of yearling nationals sounds good but the last 2 seasons 1st inland nationals we have struggled to get 2 or 3 year olds home as well as the yearlings, I think the further west these races are the poorer the returns, most feds race down the east why not stay over in the east I know the SNPRC didnt have a great race either this year from Wansted Flats but I think a race point around here would mean more returns.

The feds now have the inland nationals in there program and you need your gold cup birds to have the time on the wing around this week and if there is no fed race available members have little choice but risk there gold cup birds at the 1st national.

 

If we had a yearling national why not just go to huntingdon around 290 miles.

Also we had a good gold cup last year, then we go and change it for no reason, change for changes sake? although I dont think the race point was to blame for the poor returns this year.

I would like to see us continue holding the east line.Ypres has been a good race point so far.

[hotrod]

Hi Del

The idea of yearling nationals sounds good but the last 2 seasons 1st inland nationals we have struggled to get 2 or 3 year olds home as well as the yearlings, I think the further west these races are the poorer the returns, most feds race down the east why not stay over in the east I know the SNPRC didnt have a great race either this year from Wansted Flats but I think a race point around here would mean more returns.

The feds now have the inland nationals in there program and you need your gold cup birds to have the time on the wing around this week and if there is no fed race available members have little choice but risk there gold cup birds at the 1st national.

 

If we had a yearling national why not just go to huntingdon around 290 miles.

Also we had a good gold cup last year, then we go and change it for no reason, change for changes sake? although I dont think the race point was to blame for the poor returns this year.

I would like to see us continue holding the east line.Ypres has been a good race point so far.

 

 

i have been saying about the inland national from huntingdon for years now but it falls on deaf ears robert. and the y/b national from a bit shorter as well maybe newark ,would get more interest imo another point is why has the gold cup got to be on the last friday in june why not move it back till either the first or second friday in july as the weather paterns are all to begger now with our summer gettin later in the year ?

[Guest bigda]

i have been saying about the inland national from huntingdon for years now but it falls on deaf ears robert. and the y/b national from a bit shorter as well maybe newark ,would get more interest imo another point is why has the gold cup got to be on the last friday in june why not move it back till either the first or second friday in july as the weather paterns are all to begger now with our summer getting later in the year ?

would agree with your yearling only nat race, as that is the bird, that has to get all the help it can get, to further your nationals progress. maybe restrict yearling's for a few years from flying the other distances, giving your self time to get a team up.

[OLDYELLOW]

would agree with your yearling only nat race, as that is the bird, that has to get all the help it can get, to further your nationals progress. maybe restrict yearling's for a few years from flying the other distances, giving your self time to get a team up.

I don't think racing ybs over 200 miles does them any favours at all , at any distance preferred

[Guest bigda]

I don't think racing ybs over 200 miles does them any favours at all , at any distance preferred

yes young birds also flying 250 mile can have a bad effect on the following years racing, there is also the use of darkness and light, that maybe it is, taking its toll on racing also

[blaz]

Let's all jump up and down when i say this softly: Irish route, prevailing following wind = better returns, faster races. Only problem is south west fanciers would fly no further than around 350 miles?? I am absolutely convinced if we flew from there we would have vastly better racing. Maybe we have to take a huge look at the future of racing at "distance" as the attrition rate in recent years is vast. takes a team of 60 Obs to get through a season these days if you want to compete for the whole programme, you are lucky to finsih with 25 of these...

i for 1 would not send we get mostly west winds = race won by big kite and son 2nd paper bag and co last blaz

[Guest bigda]

Obviously it'd be ridiculous to just blow all the money throwing it around Willy nilly but feel it would be of benefit long term if short term the birdages were lowered and good prize money was put up for every race.

Paying per race would attract many more fanciers and entries for certain events as well,as many don't want to pay a full subscription to enter only one or two races.The people who do want to enter every race would be no worst off as the current subscription would be divided up into fees of entry over all the races.

 

this would not help, so what you are saying is you would only want to go to the gold cup, the one race or 2 that your ready for. suppose every fancier thought like you To an extent and they only wanted to go 2 but not the gold cup but you turn up to the gold cup as was told we have waited long enough to See how many have decided to go but there ain't enough money left in the kitty to take you, as there is only 100 birds, we have a £5 nom in our club

there are 25 lofts we pay £5.00 to nominate 4 birds in any order

just a we incentive, we have 25 lofts we should have a pool of £125 split 3-4 ways, but we don't, there only 11 go for it most weeks when we ask why no go into , the answer comes back we are not up to speed as yet for it, but the same guys

when ready, expect there to be pools moneys for them, when they are ready. so if we all adapt the same attitude problems begin

[OLDYELLOW]

yes young birds also flying 250 mile can have a bad effect on the following years racing, there is also the use of darkness and light, that maybe it is, taking its toll on racing also

quite agree ybs mature too fast , also most reckon the young bird sickness was created by using darkness , if ybs are raced on darkness i believe it burns them up and they fall like flies as yearlings , most continental fanciers specialise is either young birds , sprint , middle or distance racing , very few do all , if they specialise in yb racing they don't keep them after racing , perhaps they already know this burns them out , but the effect of darkness and light ybs on a transporter is this they tend to break up into groups as the darkness and light birds will leave natural birds standing , perhaps this is why some loose birds , but I bet the majority of lost birds are darkness birds .

[JohnQuinn]

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT IT IS YOUR CLUB, IT IS YOU WHO MAKE THE RULES AND IT IS YOU WHO DECIDE WHERE WE FLY FROM EACH YEAR.

THE CONTINUOUS REFERENCE TO "THEY" WOULD SUGGEST YOU'S (SNFC MEMBERS) DON'T SEE YOURSELVES AS EITHER PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS WHEN IN FACT YOU ARE ALL EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RUNNING OF THE CLUB AND HAVE IT IN YOUR POWERS TO DO AS THE MAJORITY WISH, SO MY SUGGESTION ONCE AGAIN IS GET PROPOSALS INTO THE AGM AND THE MEMBERS PRESENT WILL EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH YOU. THAT INCLUDES POSTAL VOTING TO GIVE EVERY MEMBER AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DECISION MAKING WITHIN THE CLUB.

GET THE PROPOSALS IN, YOU CAN PROPOSE WHATEVER YOU LIKE OR WHATEVER YOU FEEL WOULD IMPROVE THINGS FOR THE CLUB.

ALL THE IDEA'S ON HERE MEAN NOTHING UNLESS THEY ARE PUT FORWARD AT THE AGM. SIMPLES!!!!

[Henrik]

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT IT IS YOUR CLUB, IT IS YOU WHO MAKE THE RULES AND IT IS YOU WHO DECIDE WHERE WE FLY FROM EACH YEAR.

THE CONTINUOUS REFERENCE TO "THEY" WOULD SUGGEST YOU'S (SNFC MEMBERS) DON'T SEE YOURSELVES AS EITHER PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS WHEN IN FACT YOU ARE ALL EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RUNNING OF THE CLUB AND HAVE IT IN YOUR POWERS TO DO AS THE MAJORITY WISH, SO MY SUGGESTION ONCE AGAIN IS GET PROPOSALS INTO THE AGM AND THE MEMBERS PRESENT WILL EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH YOU. THAT INCLUDES POSTAL VOTING TO GIVE EVERY MEMBER AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DECISION MAKING WITHIN THE CLUB.

GET THE PROPOSALS IN, YOU CAN PROPOSE WHATEVER YOU LIKE OR WHATEVER YOU FEEL WOULD IMPROVE THINGS FOR THE CLUB.

ALL THE IDEA'S ON HERE MEAN NOTHING UNLESS THEY ARE PUT FORWARD AT THE AGM. SIMPLES!!!!

Aye John 100% correct,if you wasnt at the AGM you shouldnt criticise. Only way to get folk of their butts is to put in something conrovercial then you will have a good turnout of members.

[Guest bigda]

your agm ballot paper should be sent out to nat members who where members the year before the first race should be said we go West, Center, East, yes or / no. then name all three sites from that area, second race the same West, Center, East, then 3 sites from each. 3rd Race again West Center, EAST, choices of 3 lib sites, 4th and last race again West Center, EAST, and 3 choices

with all members ticking the boxes, and having a count the winners will be the most voted race points, and at what side of the country the racing will come from