tyson Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 regarding the k index I have studied this for atleast 15 years and it does affect the pigeons I get daily bulletins from the s.i.d.c now on the 1st of june there was a cme erupted from the sun heading for earth due to arrive on june 4th now on the 2nd june a furher cme erupted from the sun which was larger than the one on 1st june with this being larger it had a faster wind stream and would catch up with the one that erupted on 1st june resulting in a larger cme due to hit the earth on 4th june now I am race controller for midlothian fed and olso one of the controllers for the s.n.f.c on friday I spoke to Jim Hannah about the forcast for the saturday told him the forcast looked good but we might have a bit of cloud cover at race point early morning I said that is the good part but we are going to hit on saturday with a magnetic storm from the sun but unfortunetly we could not hold the pigeons because the fanciers would think we were nuts and would get linched possibly this was the cause possibly not but a awful lot of organisations took a hammering just food for thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.massey Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 regarding the k index I have studied this for atleast 15 years and it does affect the pigeons I get daily bulletins from the s.i.d.c now on the 1st of june there was a cme erupted from the sun heading for earth due to arrive on june 4th now on the 2nd june a furher cme erupted from the sun which was larger than the one on 1st june with this being larger it had a faster wind stream and would catch up with the one that erupted on 1st june resulting in a larger cme due to hit the earth on 4th june now I am race controller for midlothian fed and olso one of the controllers for the s.n.f.c on friday I spoke to Jim Hannah about the forcast for the saturday told him the forcast looked good but we might have a bit of cloud cover at race point early morning I said that is the good part but we are going to hit on saturday with a magnetic storm from the sun but unfortunetly we could not hold the pigeons because the fanciers would think we were nuts and would get linched possibly this was the cause possibly not but a awful lot of organisations took a hammering just food for thought I am now a believer Peter. Never even heard of this before Sat. I was watching birds going over heading north then just turn and head west then east!! They where tired pigeons but just clueless to where they were!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 funny where pigeons turned up too over the weekend too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.massey Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 funny where pigeons turned up too over the weekend too Exactly.... People are saying the north east wind. Yeah was not ideal for SNFC but other feds had tail wind and got smashed. Also been 2 PB members say birds reported 80-100 mile north of there loft. So these birds have went head first into wind 2-3 hours on wing. Was because they were not homing right due to something!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 i have followed this also but recently lost the link if any one can send it to me? i lost a lot of birds on bad magnetic days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 sidc- solar influences data analysis centre this is the one I use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 regarding the k index I have studied this for atleast 15 years and it does affect the pigeons I get daily bulletins from the s.i.d.c now on the 1st of june there was a cme erupted from the sun heading for earth due to arrive on june 4th now on the 2nd june a furher cme erupted from the sun which was larger than the one on 1st june with this being larger it had a faster wind stream and would catch up with the one that erupted on 1st june resulting in a larger cme due to hit the earth on 4th june now I am race controller for midlothian fed and olso one of the controllers for the s.n.f.c on friday I spoke to Jim Hannah about the forcast for the saturday told him the forcast looked good but we might have a bit of cloud cover at race point early morning I said that is the good part but we are going to hit on saturday with a magnetic storm from the sun but unfortunetly we could not hold the pigeons because the fanciers would think we were nuts and would get linched possibly this was the cause possibly not but a awful lot of organisations took a hammering just food for thought Excellent and Honest assessment Peter and one you should be applauded for, though were do the race controllers and we the fanciers go from here??? is it a AGM decision or is it one the race controllers can/will make the decision on themselves of whether to delay a lib for the K Index being high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 When there is warning of a cme how long does it take to pass like if we knew or thought it was hitting earth on the fourth of june would it have passed by the 5th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 great also to hear about something different like the k index what coming this weekend be great to know then have reports back from the members maybe do a weekly thing or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 problem with cme,s they can predict when they are due to hit the earth but not an exact time with cme it could last upto 3hrs or less or 24hrs if we could get exact times then race controllers could delay libs until the geomagnetics settled down but as I have said you would have fanciers going daft because you could have a great weather forcast but you were delaying the lib because of something coming from the sun but I think It needs a serious debate and get more opions on the matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 just a nother bit of onfo if the k index is predicted to be a 3 or 4 k birds should be okay but if rises above 5k then we have what they call disturbed geomagnetic conditions I personaly usually check before going training and if it is high I dont train that day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 problem with cme,s they can predict when they are due to hit the earth but not an exact time with cme it could last upto 3hrs or less or 24hrs if we could get exact times then race controllers could delay libs until the geomagnetics settled down but as I have said you would have fanciers going daft because you could have a great weather forcast but you were delaying the lib because of something coming from the sun but I think It needs a serious debate and get more opions on the matter I know where you're coming from when you say fanciers would lynch you for holding over, Damned if you do Damned if you don't situation. What fanciers really need to do is TRUST the race controllers to do the best job that they can and accept the reasons given for decisions made. Decisions that are made for the good of the convoy NOT the fanciers. Its a ridiculous state of affairs that a man gets Voted into a Job that NO ONE ELSE WANTS, then gets slated from the self same men who do not have the courage to take the job themselves. As usual the driving force behind bad races is Fanciers themselves jmo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 thanks for the info tyson keep it up :emoticon-0137-clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I am always willing to re-visit anything I’ve expressed an opinion about. I had a look at the actual K Index here in Britain on race days from 9th April to 4th June 2011, as measured at Lerwick and Eskdalemuir Observatories. The figures are the mean of the hourly K reading grouped into 3 hour periods from midnight to midnight. I’ve given the ranges below:- 9/4. Lerwick 0-3, Eskdalemuir 0-316/4 Lerwick 0-1, Eskdalemuir 0-123/4 Lerwick 0-1, Eskdalemuir 0-130/4 Lerwick 3-4, Eskdalemuir 3-47/5 Lerwick 0-2, Eskdalemuir 0-314/5 Lerwick 0-2, Eskdalemuir 0-221/5 Lerwick 0-2, Eskdalemuir 0-328/5 Lerwick 2-6, Eskdalemuir 2-54/6 Lerwick 0-4, Eskdalemuir 0-5 Hartland (South Devon) 0-5 On those race days the Index rose to 4 and above, the readings were:- 30/4Lerwick 3 and 4. Times for 4= 0000-0300, 1200-1500, 1800-2100, 2100-2400. Eskdalemuir 3 and 4. Times for 4= 0000-0300, 0900-1500, 1800-2400. 28/5Lerwick 2,4,6. Times for 4 and 6 = 0000-0300 (4), 0600-1200 (4) 12-1500 (6). Eskdalemuir 2,3,4, and 5. Times for 4 and 5 = 0000-0300 (4), 0600-0900 (5), 0900-1200 (4), 1200-1500 (5). And 4/6 (date which K Index is said to be reason for bad racing throughout Britain):- Lerwick 0,1,3, 4. Times for 4= 2100-2400. Eskdalemuir 0,1,4,5. Times for 4 and 5= 1800-2100 (4), 2100 – 2400 (5) Hartland (South Devon) 0,1, 5. Times for 5= 1800-2400. 'Reproduced with the permission of the British Geological Survey©NERC’. http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/data_service/data/magnetic_indices/k_indices.html IMO:From my reading of this data, our birds were liberated on 4th June at 0645 from Marlborough when our K Index was never higher than 1 all the way up to Scottish Borders. The pigeons were timed into Scotland from 1330 onwards, well before K Index had reached 4 in the ‘South’ at 1800, and 2100 in 'North'. 4 is said to be the K Index Safe Upper Limit. According to the Theory, 28th May should have been a disaster, look at the readings for 4, 5 & 6 from 0600, the normal liberation time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyson Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Here is the latest KP index http://www.sidc.be/products/xut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 from my understandings of the subject they cant pin point when these storms will effect the earth it can be 12hrs out or more but my knowledge on the subject is very limited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fair Play Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 According to the news today there was a massive solar flare one of the biggest ever seen and will hit the Earth within 2 or 3 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Hi have you got a spare dave allen widowhood bookto sell me as i have just read one of your other posts you have some pigeons books noggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 very high this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 very high this week WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS TODAY AND IF THE "K" INDEX IS THAT GOOD AND ALWAYS RIGHT THEN WHY DID I GET 90% RETURNS FROM KELSO AND ONLY 25% RETURNS FAE RIDSDALE??? GOOD FAE 1 RACE ON A HIGH INDEX DAY BUT BAD FAE ANOTHER RACE SO WAS THE GOOD RACE OOTSIDE THE INDEX AND THE BAD RACE IN IT OR SHOULD I JUST BLAME IT ON THE "K" INDEX???? NO CHANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 The lANARKSHIRE FED mostly always have good returns because of size of convoy Alan. But good point and maybe something to learn here??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS TODAY AND IF THE "K" INDEX IS THAT GOOD AND ALWAYS RIGHT THEN WHY DID I GET 90% RETURNS FROM KELSO AND ONLY 25% RETURNS FAE RIDSDALE??? GOOD FAE 1 RACE ON A HIGH INDEX DAY BUT BAD FAE ANOTHER RACE SO WAS THE GOOD RACE OOTSIDE THE INDEX AND THE BAD RACE IN IT OR SHOULD I JUST BLAME IT ON THE "K" INDEX???? NO CHANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 alf my knowledge on the subject is very low im just highlighting the issue mate i would think for any sort of conclusion to be formed would need to be done on a weekly a reports on races from clubs feds all around the country my own beliefs is on losses is hawks at the race points is the main cause and i probably get slaughtered for this but i believe the quality of the birds comes next jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS TODAY AND IF THE "K" INDEX IS THAT GOOD AND ALWAYS RIGHT THEN WHY DID I GET 90% RETURNS FROM KELSO AND ONLY 25% RETURNS FAE RIDSDALE??? GOOD FAE 1 RACE ON A HIGH INDEX DAY BUT BAD FAE ANOTHER RACE SO WAS THE GOOD RACE OOTSIDE THE INDEX AND THE BAD RACE IN IT OR SHOULD I JUST BLAME IT ON THE "K" INDEX???? NO CHANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 Out of a short race the K index should have minimal effect as the doos are heading in the one direction into a small area, but as soon as another problem comes into play such as hawks, clashing and bad weather then this is when pigeons struggle with the K Index being high even from a short distance. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Out of a short race the K index should have minimal effect as the doos are heading in the one direction into a small area, but as soon as another problem comes into play such as hawks, clashing and bad weather then this is when pigeons struggle with the K Index being high even from a short distance. JMO Very true Gareth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev01293 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 i get the daily email from s.i.d.c. which gives info on the k index factor after reading about it in the rp in bilcos write ups a few years ago,i think if he is a believer then it is at least worth taking a look at it as ive always found his ideas/theories to be on the money but some think that the k index/presto warning doesnt affect the homing ability as its in space and shouldnt affect the pigeons on earth?? (somebody elses words not mine) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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