Snfc Marlborough Verdict

[budgie]

Would guess around 19.00 - 19.30 in central Lanarkshire, hard race to judge though.

Gareth what makes you think it will go as late as that.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Gareth what makes you think it will go as late as that.

 

I think of all the guys that never got a doo in the shift, otherwise, it is as i said only a guess.

[chrissyboy1]

Managed to get 9/10 from Peterborough , with other members 2/2, 8/10, 7/13

[Rebus]

I think of all the guys that never got a doo in the shift, otherwise, it is as i said only a guess.

only 15 pigeons in Carluke station on Sat. night when i left at around 1130.

[Taylorsloft]

first one home thats one out of 4

[budgie]

I think of all the guys that never got a doo in the shift, otherwise, it is as i said only a guess.

 

Does anyone know how many were recorded at Uddingston on the Shift and the next morning.It may also be the case that pigeons in our sect will not get sect prize but may get Open Prize which dose not happen very often.?

[Chris Little]

I guess there was about 120 birds times at the Solway clock station which was open between 6.30 - 8.00pm

 

With regards to the idea of Marlborough route home being unfamiliar to most of the convoy is a fair point however, the SNRPC from Wanstead Flats had it just as bad and those guys will be racing from familiar ground.

[mazzie]

what about the heat on friday affecting the birds , could we not organise the birds away on a fri nite for a sat moring lib ,

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

what about the heat on friday affecting the birds , could we not organise the birds away on a fri nite for a sat moring lib ,

 

Its a fair point that the heat can't have done the birds any favours but a number of the feds who basketted on friday for a Saturday lib took a scutching as well

[knoxjn]

the inland national racepoints are too far for a friday nite basket you would never make it for a sat morning lib

[mazzie]

it was just a idea , a got 3 out of ten which am upset about but , as a old mate of mind said thats pigeon racing , when there in the sky there in the hands of the gods , rip big ben cassidy

 

also has george mann won it

[budgie]

the inland national racepoints are too far for a friday nite basket you would never make it for a sat morning lib

 

Lanarkshire Fed basket for Huntingdon on a Friday night which is only 33 mls shorter than Marlborough ?Our Peterbrough pigeons were basketed on Friday night and we had a far better race return wise.The National pigeons in our Area should have been timed around 14.30pm to be in par with the Fed but as we all know it never happened.?

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Lanarkshire Fed basket for Huntingdon on a Friday night which is only 33 mls shorter than Marlborough ?Our Peterbrough pigeons were basketed on Friday night and we had a far better race return wise.The National pigeons in our Area should have been timed around 14.30pm to be in par with the Fed but as we all know it never happened.?

Feeling within a lot of members in Lanarkshire that we should go back to a Thursday night basketting for Peterborough, pigeons didn't get to the race point until late and then had little time to rest and for them to get a drink, in turn the pigeons were dehydrated from Peterborough.

[blaz]

i think it is right to basket on Thursday for inland nationals as gives plenty time for birds to get down to race point. whare the birds can rest after journey down it is also well known that the conveyor does a good job looking after them.on hot days like friday past evry 2nd basket was pulled out to help the air get round them all and water on baskets all day giving birds plenty time to get a drink

[timmy]

got 5 out of 11 from marlborough. just had a phone call from a gentleman in Dalmellington Ayrshire he has got a pied hen in from the race. he says that there are a lot of birds coming back over from Ireland. so thats me 6/11

[JohnQuinn]

How was your returns from both race points into Lanarkshire?

 

By night time Sunday i had 13/14 from Peterborough, though my time was Garbage.

 

I had 2/6 from Marlborough but a 3rd doo was there when i went in from work Today. A 3yr old Ck who Normally canny get far enough away from me any time i go into the loft, He was so Flown Out i picked him up off the ground outside the loft, totally shattered and about a Quarter of the size he was when sent on Thursday. He would have been my Tours candidate too

[chrissyboy1]

Thought the Lanarkshire birds looked well on return, personally would like to remain Friday marking for Peteborough and Huntington.

Just think the wind was the problem.

[yeboah]

Just had a visit from my friend who has been visiting his family here who run a hotel which he owns ,this is the same gentleman who lives only 22 miles from Marlborough and who visited our race team on the Friday afternoon and commented on the wonderful condition of the birds ,he has just said that south coast feds racing from France on Saturday had horrendous returns and cant think it was just wind speed on the channel that prevented so many fit birds from homing ,If Mr Mann wins our national think i am right in stating he races with the midland fed who race the west route yet the first four in the solway region all raced with the fed this year down the a1 route so don't think we can look to much into race point personally think that certain doos that are motivated and determined on the day will break from the convoy and hold a racing line on this occasion i was lucky enough to own such a bird ,but as we all no there are more negatives than positives at this game omo

[novo10]

Just had a visit from my friend who has been visiting his family here who run a hotel which he owns ,this is the same gentleman who lives only 22 miles from Marlborough and who visited our race team on the Friday afternoon and commented on the wonderful condition of the birds ,he has just said that south coast feds racing from France on Saturday had horrendous returns and cant think it was just wind speed on the channel that prevented so many fit birds from homing ,If Mr Mann wins our national think i am right in stating he races with the midland fed who race the west route yet the first four in the solway region all raced with the fed this year down the a1 route so don't think we can look to much into race point personally think that certain doos that are motivated and determined on the day will break from the convoy and hold a racing line on this occasion i was lucky enough to own such a bird ,but as we all no there are more negatives than positives at this game omo

your 100% right mate we also race with midland fed and were lucky enough to have an early 1 also and well done to geordie mann great performance

[yeboah]

your 100% right mate we also race with midland fed and were lucky enough to have an early 1 also and well done to geordie mann great performance

I no how hard it was for my bird homing into the strong wind and for George Mann's to home into airdrie exactly one hour later after having to negotiate the high hills to the back of me is a truly fantastic achievement top top marks

[Ian Gill]

I had conversations with Bilco on this several years ago both on here and in BHW. I think we agreed to disagree on it.

 

IMO, this theory is flawed as

 

(1) the technology has been taken out of context (its purpose is to predict and produce space weather reports for Astonauts working out in Space) and applied to yet another theory that birds navigate using the earth’s magnetic fields. I think that pigeon fanciers already know that birds must use a number of skills to get home, and can and do switch between them to overcome any conditions they might meet on the way. Our birds do this every race day, because there are magnetic anomolies all over Britain which distort the magnetic fields (down here at the level our birds are flying at) and they are required to navigate them. These anomolies don’t come from Space, their source is right here on Planet Earth – they are caused by different rock formations lying deep underground. NE England and Scottish Borders are good examples.

 

(2) Planet Earth has its own protection from the worst Solar storms, the magnetosphere, which is the upper reaches of the earths magnetic fields reaching far into Space. It’s a giant shield 50 or so miles above us, and deflects Solar Wind Radiation around us and out into Space. Look at the graphic which explains it far better than I can :-

 

http://www.universetoday.com/27005/earths-magnetic-field/

 

and finally (3) Solar Radiation is energy. The law of conservation of energy is a law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in a system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another. The only thing that can happen to energy in a system is that it can change form: for instance chemical energy can become kinetic energy. The different layers of Earth’s atmosphere are a system, so that law applies here. No further energy can be added to it (created). All that can happen is the type of energy changes. IMO that’s what the Auroras are – they are said to be caused by the magnetosphere interacting with Solar Winds - magnetic radiation energy changing to light energy – into something that can be seen from down here on the ground – i.e. the Auroras high in the skies above the Northern & Southern Poles.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

 

I’ve no doubt the sun influences earth’s weather. But we get daily weather reports and forecasts that warn us up to 5 days in advance. So we all knew what the weather conditions were going to be like before we sent our pigeons racing last weekend.

 

 

Lord help us is all I can say in reply to some of the above !!! Take a look at some of the links below I provided to Joe Murphy last weekend and take a special interest in the Japan link IB

 

 

 

http://www.spaceweather.com/

 

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/

 

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html

daily update

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare

A useful reference page

 

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/10mar_stormwarning/

another useful reference Joe

 

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/forecast.html

 

http://www.space.com/11506-space-weather-sunspots-solar-flares-coronal-mass-ejections.html

good article that explains a right bit

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/solar-storm-could-cause-more-damage-than-hurricane-katrina-2221706.html

bit of good reading in this article

 

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/06/11/Solar-flare-activity-might-threaten-GPS/UPI-74541276290234/

effects of solar activity

 

http://pesn.com/2011/03/12/9501786_Japans_Record_Quake_Corresponds_to_Sun_Flare/

Japanese link

 

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10189-solar-flares-will-disrupt-gps-in-2011.html

an article from the New Scientist

[Guest IB]

Lord help us is all I can say in reply to some of the above !!! Take a look at some of the links below I provided to Joe Murphy last weekend and take a special interest in the Japan link IB

 

 

 

http://www.spaceweather.com/

 

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/

 

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html

daily update

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare

A useful reference page

 

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/10mar_stormwarning/

another useful reference Joe

 

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/forecast.html

 

http://www.space.com/11506-space-weather-sunspots-solar-flares-coronal-mass-ejections.html

good article that explains a right bit

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/solar-storm-could-cause-more-damage-than-hurricane-katrina-2221706.html

bit of good reading in this article

 

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2010/06/11/Solar-flare-activity-might-threaten-GPS/UPI-74541276290234/

effects of solar activity

 

http://pesn.com/2011/03/12/9501786_Japans_Record_Quake_Corresponds_to_Sun_Flare/

Japanese link

 

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10189-solar-flares-will-disrupt-gps-in-2011.html

an article from the New Scientist

 

 

I noted Joe Murphy used these in his BHW article published on 17th June. Most of it concerns the Natural Physical World. None of it specifically relates to how the K Index affects Pigeons, as it was alleged to have done on 4th June.

 

The one crucial piece of evidence NOT provided in the article was the K Index as it affected Britain that day, or any other race day for that matter. I will be compiling something for Joe myself, but meantime the attachment contains the K Index data for all Saturday race days in Britain from 9th April to 11th June, including Smash Day, 4th of June. These come from Hartland Observatory (North Devon) - 4th June only, Eskdalemuir Observatory, and Lerwick Observatory, which taken together give the 'local' K Index for Britain from midnight to midnight.

 

Marlborough pigeons were liberated 0645 into a NE wind. Birds reached the Borders by 1330, Central Scotland by 1500 and north by 1800, during which time the K Index was never greater than 1. Yes there was a magnetic storm but its affects were not felt here until after 1800, many hours AFTER the birds were lost. Whatever caused the losses, it had nothing to do with the K Index over Britain at that time.

 

Now look at the week before the Smash Race Day, 28th May. A magnetic storm was present from sunrise, 0600, to 1500, with K Indices of 5, 4 & 5 during the 'whole' period of racing that day. According to the theory, that day should have been a disaster, but it wasn't. So we have a smash when K Index is normal, and a good day's racing when it is high? Reliable tool to inform liberations? I think not.

 

race day k indices.pdf

[naedoos]

We all have our own opinions on whether this is helpful or not, what I can't understand is why you are TRYING to prove that this information isn't true!!

 

I know I get an email from them EVERY day so I can make my mind up if our birds go or not, and all I'm saying is I'm glad I heeded the warning they sent me. After all, these guys are working with Space Science information, I think I would listen to them before I listened to you

 

I would say make your own minds up folks, we have used this information for around the last 4 years, so we will continue to keep an open mind and use EVERY source that IS, and BECOMES available to us for our training

 

ATB

[Guest IB]

We all have our own opinions on whether this is helpful or not, what I can't understand is why you are TRYING to prove that this information isn't true!!

 

I know I get an email from them EVERY day so I can make my mind up if our birds go or not, and all I'm saying is I'm glad I heeded the warning they sent me. After all, these guys are working with Space Science information, I think I would listen to them before I listened to you

 

I would say make your own minds up folks, we have used this information for around the last 4 years, so we will continue to keep an open mind and use EVERY source that IS, and BECOMES available to us for our training

 

ATB

 

Had you read the contents of .pdf file attached to my post, you would have known the data doesn’t come from me, but from a very reliable scientific source right here on our own doorstep:-

 

British Geological Survey (BGS) / World Data Centre for Geomagnetism (Edinburgh)

 

http://www.wdc.bgs.ac.uk/

 

And yes, amongst the services BGS provides :-

 

(1) Space weather warnings

 

http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/

 

(2) the actual daily K Index readings as they were recorded at 3 British Observatories, midnight to midnight.

 

http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/data_service/data/magnetic_indices/k_indices.html

 

I’m every bit as concerned to discover the reasons behind so far unexplained losses. And on 4th June 2011 data from this source shows the K Index wasn’t a factor. Others say it was. If so, then let them provide the indices detected right here in Britain on that day - proving their position.

 

I can also go back to the YB losses the Scottish Federations suffered flying from NE England on 21/8/10, 28/8/10 and 29/8/10, when the K Index wasn’t a factor.

 

And by contrast, with K Index readings of 4 and above on 28th May 2011 we had a good day’s racing, yet we are told that it should have been a disaster. The point of my posts is to show that ‘something unknown’ is behind these losses, and K Indices are perhaps a smokescreen preventing a full scientific investigation.

[blucock]

think its still early for reflection with doos working home already this morning,east wind and 300 plus miles were always going to be a problem for the national and also the federation birds imo.

 

 

East wind is a problem?? So, what do we do - only lib when the wind suits the east coast ie 80% plus of the time? You will know how the west coast birds have to work when the winds west or SW....

 

The 4th June was a disaster and there's no way 50% of the convoy made it back. This was nothing to do with the wind but with solar activity - the whole of the UK got hammered, but please don't insult the intelligence with 50% returns quotes

 

The SNFC team did a good job in the main, birds that homed were disorintated and well flown, but in good condition. The K factor needs to be heeded. LOL at J Murphy hijacking the subject "trying to educate the back garden fancier".... thanks oh great one, we all idiots (not)

 

Good luck with your National flying in the coming weeks all.

 

Baz