Long Distance Birds

[nigel1]

Ye them Van reets can deffo do it frae the cahnnel!!

[Guest paulrstokes]

Agree 100% all down to feeding and preperation.

[Guest IB]

Agree 100% all down to feeding and preperation.

 

No offence, I must have picked it up wrong, I thought first & foremost the bird had to be bred specially for the job in hand - steeped in winners at the distance.

[Delboy]

No offence, I must have picked it up wrong, I thought first & foremost the bird had to be bred specially for the job in hand - steeped in winners at the distance.

 

 

No question about it,must have the blood first, then of course, condition, health and motivation

[Guest ENDFLIGHT]

can't agree....my admittley limited experience is that as the distance extends the pigeon needs to be different and is harder to find,certainly over 350

 

people say van reets etc can do 500 miles....and bred selectively over a number of years for this purpose they probably can...but whats the point? would you take a jan arden and breed/select its young for sprint?

WHY NOT!!simple,just don,t tell it1

[hotrod]

handled many a great distance bird ,i would say 99% have similarities ie nice length ,medium sized , great ballance and silky feathers oh and good distance blood , but in all walks of life there is the exception to the rule like an odd stv winning from 500 miles or an Aarden winning from 60 miles ,ive tried all sorts over the years and have found that birds bred for the job in hand in the right hands will do the business . i wouldny like sitting waiting on a svr or roland jansen from the gold cup/medal race from over 550 miles in a northerly wind . also have found that if u try and get birds that can fly into your area as some that do well into the east wont come into the west the same again this is just my honest opinion .

[Guest paulrstokes]

Some good opinions.

 

My experience was a few years back a clubmate was winning everything up to 280 miles with van loons from planet brothers, which he said were out and out sprinters.

 

He was adamant he could not get them from further I told him that he was feeding wrong for that distance, typical widowhood break down build up etc. Every time he sent over 300 her was down the sheet, however he insisted it was the birds and not the system.

 

He gave me 4 youngsters and I said I would get them from the distance, I lost 2 as youngsters and as 2 year olds the two left both made the result from Thurso 427 miles, the year after they went to lerwick I lost 1 the other was 1st club 2nd fed.

 

Not bad for birds that cant do over 280.

 

This may be an isolated incident but it just poointed to me that it was the method and not the birds.

 

I have got some Roland Janssens in and I will send these all the way through the program I will see how they go and keep you informed.

[Craig05]

does that mean usain bolt could win 10,000 metre race? dont think so

Why not, if he prepares for it properly and is fit and healthy, i reckon he could have a great chance :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[DJWa]

did brian kaid not fly into wales from lerwick thurso etc with vanreets

i had some of them and they were larger than the marden reets ive got now

the bloodlines were through( bad news)which he and dean pallet owned at one time

[Guest stb-]

handled many a great distance bird ,i would say 99% have similarities ie nice length ,medium sized , great ballance and silky feathers oh and good distance blood , but in all walks of life there is the exception to the rule like an odd stv winning from 500 miles or an Aarden winning from 60 miles ,ive tried all sorts over the years and have found that birds bred for the job in hand in the right hands will do the business . i wouldny like sitting waiting on a svr or roland jansen from the gold cup/medal race from over 550 miles in a northerly wind . also have found that if u try and get birds that can fly into your area as some that do well into the east wont come into the west the same again this is just my honest opinion .

the only method in it is you send em if they do well you concentrate on the ones that cope

with it and forget about the rest pretty simple as you cant breed of ones that dont comeback

and you certainly would not be re breeding of there parents if they were not breeding birds at the distance you wanted to send them , at the end of the day you push em as far as you can and if they dont work well you have to try other options of birds , they either have it or they dont the baskett will soon let you know anyway

[geordie1234]

I think sprint pigeons could come home from 500 miles but it could maybe take them twice as long i would certainley prefer breeding off birds that were proven distance performers than taking chances with sprinter etc

 

But thats only my opinion and im as daft as a brush and no even raced yet so i could be talking my mince than anything

[Guest stb-]

I think sprint pigeons could come home from 500 miles but it could maybe take them twice as long i would certainley prefer breeding off birds that were proven distance performers than taking chances with sprinter etc

 

But thats only my opinion and im as daft as a brush and no even raced yet so i could be talking my mince than anything

widny worry aboot it a high percentage of so called distance ones canny come hame from there either

[geordie1234]

widny worry aboot it a high percentage of so called distance ones canny come hame from there either

True but surely you have more of a chance

[Guest stb-]

True but surely you have more of a chance

like every thing else depends where ye get them and if you get the genuine articles

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

"If two fanciers took 20 birds each from the same family, and one of them was a sprint racer and the one a distance flyer within 10 years the sprinter would have a loft of sprinting birds and the distance flyer would have a loft of distance birds both having started with exactly the same family of birds, the simple reason being that the sprinter will only breed from birds that win in short races and the distance flyer will only breed from birds that scored from a distance."

 

Quite like this

 

Its taken from Joe Murphy's article on the 20+ times North Section Winner Jim Donaldson

[Guest stb-]

"If two fanciers took 20 birds each from the same family, and one of them was a sprint racer and the one a distance flyer within 10 years the sprinter would have a loft of sprinting birds and the distance flyer would have a loft of distance birds both having started with exactly the same family of birds, the simple reason being that the sprinter will only breed from birds that win in short races and the distance flyer will only breed from birds that scored from a distance."

 

Quite like this

 

Its taken from Joe Murphy's article on the 20+ times North Section Winner Jim Donaldson

EXACTLY IF YOU KEEP SENDING THEM AT YOUR CHOSEN DISTANCE YOUR ONLY LEFT WITH THE ONES THAT CAN ATTAIN WHAT YOU WANT

[Guest spin cycle]

"If two fanciers took 20 birds each from the same family, and one of them was a sprint racer and the one a distance flyer within 10 years the sprinter would have a loft of sprinting birds and the distance flyer would have a loft of distance birds both having started with exactly the same family of birds, the simple reason being that the sprinter will only breed from birds that win in short races and the distance flyer will only breed from birds that scored from a distance."

 

Quite like this

 

Its taken from Joe Murphy's article on the 20+ times North Section Winner Jim Donaldson

 

sums it up well IMO

[gulkie]

so how many good birds have been thrown away sending them to 500 +

miles and not fed properly for the job?its a catch 22 if you have

the distance birds but don't know how to feed them. :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[dicie]

Any bird can fly or win on any given day from any given distance, this thou doesnt make the bird or fancier a long distance pigeon.

 

I know i would rather be waiting in the garden with my sun tan lotion and few bottles of cold beer for birds that have been tried and tested over the distance than to be sat waiting a birds whos family havent done it previously.

 

Going back to the orignal posters question, go to the likes of Louella, and buy yourself 10 or 20 jan aardens or other distance familes, it is a cheaper option and to be honest isnt a big risk either, these birds are well bred, and will give you a decent if not ideal start to a long distance family of birds...

 

Im starting from scratch myself after moving away due to work. The garden i have now is small, when i say small, the biggest loft i can possibly fit in will be 8ft by 6ft, but, its still birds, and will only basemy birds on distance families, small team!!

 

Best of luck

[BISSY]

THE VANREETS I HAD NEVER LET ME DOWN WHEN I FLEW IN THE UNC,BOURGES 596ML

[sapper756]

THE VANREETS I HAD NEVER LET ME DOWN WHEN I FLEW IN THE UNC,BOURGES 596ML

 

Which lines were your Van Reets m8?

[BISSY]

THE LINES I DONT KNOW, AS THEY WHERE BRED FOR ME BY A FANCIER WHO HELD HIS OWN AT COMBINE LEVEL,BUT I AM SORRY TO SAY HE WAS FROM US AT AN EARLY AGE

[Guest challengerlofts]

I think theres a lot of Irish Fanciers, got the Long Distance Birds. Imagine, racing from France, thru English Channel, England, Irish Water final destination wherever in Ireland. They've got amazing birds.

[budgie]

There are certain families that can only Home from certain distances and no sprinter would ever fly 500/600 mls or even home without being reported.Dont be kidded Distance pigeons have a different Wing Beat.Sprinters win their races in the 1st 10 mins from being liberated distance pigeons do it in the last 50 mls.

[eastcoaster]

handled many a great distance bird ,i would say 99% have similarities ie nice length ,medium sized , great ballance and silky feathers oh and good distance blood , but in all walks of life there is the exception to the rule like an odd stv winning from 500 miles or an Aarden winning from 60 miles ,ive tried all sorts over the years and have found that birds bred for the job in hand in the right hands will do the business . i wouldny like sitting waiting on a svr or roland jansen from the gold cup/medal race from over 550 miles in a northerly wind . also have found that if u try and get birds that can fly into your area as some that do well into the east wont come into the west the same again this is just my honest opinion .

 

I personally don`t buy this east west devide, now i know i have just moved here and i could`nt teach anyone about how to fly doo`s def not from 500 mls BUT what is it that makes doo`s that score in the east that says they CAN`T score in the west ? in most cases your top flyers had to get them from the flat plains of england to start with so my personal belief is the management and aclimitis`n (spelling)because top bred doo`s are top bred doo`s .