Delboy Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 have a look at national results and youll see our results 4 last 4 years and read report its about timing on night of liberation from gold cup or any 500 mile race jmo not timed myself on shift but working on it scored in every inland race and by the way timed out bourges this year and won section d averages not bad for somebody who doesnt know anything about doos ye must know a wee bit novice, i mean novo Good year Derek, all the best 2011
walterbmasson Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Posted January 17, 2011 DANNY it must be that they are a tarred we same brush only think on them selves a bunch a pansies if i get a doo and the longest fleeing doos are locked oot weel get a diploma look at the time the doos are timed at the distance on results ask yer sel should i have won this or should the birds been up earlier food for thought but still enjoy your diploma s a true SCOTSMAN
novo10 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 cheers derek same 2 urself walter i would also like them to go earlier and 2 make it a level playing ground for everyone but wind and coditions can always change after liberations so we have got to hope we get one if not we cant take anything away from the fanciers who are lucky enough to time and the snfc are trying their best for everyone if ur not happy get 2 agm and voice ur opinion
Guest bigda Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 cheers derek same 2 urself walter i would also like them to go earlier and 2 make it a level playing ground for everyone but wind and coditions can always change after liberations so we have got to hope we get one if not we cant take anything away from the fanciers who are lucky enough to time and the snfc are trying their best for everyone if ur not happy get 2 agm and voice ur opinion novo what walter wants is if one doo has to stay out they they all must, therefor a 1pm lib as the 4-30 am rule is for every flyer no just for some sorry he wants a 430 am 5am lib if that cant be done then a 1pm lib
yeboah Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 As we have been discussing early liberation's at 04-30 am in central France for the gold cup or even the longest race ,with the 21st of June being the longest day which is a week before our gold cup race has anyone any idea when the sun would be shining on the race hampers say for the gold cup to start with then the longest race no guessing just the truth
walterbmasson Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Posted January 17, 2011 cheers derek same 2 urself walter i would also like them to go earlier and 2 make it a level playing ground for everyone but wind and coditions can always change after liberations so we have got to hope we get one if not we cant take anything away from the fanciers who are lucky enough to time and the snfc are trying their best for everyone if ur not happy get 2 agm and voice ur opinion NOVO WHY SHOULD ANY BOADY HAVE TO TRAVELL 200MILES TO A AGM TO VOICE MY OPPINION THERES NOTHING TO AIR ITS THEM THAY IS BREAKING THERE OWN BL--DY RULES IT SAYS BIRDS WILL BE RELEASED AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE WEATHER PERMITTING then they send you reports of perfect conditions as early as the night before and also first thing in morning nothing stopping the birds going at 5am even 5-15 am as there own rules so why should i go and motor down when its the race conyroller and convoyers that is breaking there own rules every year by holding birds back when conditions are for early lib if cantn get the birds up as early as possible mid - day lib that is reasonable in any mans book as it is a NATIONAL EVENT OPEN FOR LENGTH AND BREDIETH O OOR COUNTRY ALL FOR 1 AND 1 FOR ALL WELL IT SHOULD BE
walterbmasson Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Posted January 17, 2011 As we have been discussing early liberation's at 04-30 am in central France for the gold cup or even the longest race ,with the 21st of June being the longest day which is a week before our gold cup race has anyone any idea when the sun would be shining on the race hampers say for the gold cup to start with then the longest race no guessing just the truth THE TRUTH IS IVE LANDED HERRING AT ST MALO ABOUT 3AM IN THE BUFF BUT NOVO WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR 4-30 AM LIB EVEN 5AM TO 5-30AM AND THAT IS A GOOD TIME AS NOT YOO HOT LETS BIRDS GET GOING BEFORE IT GETS TOO HOT
yeboah Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Agree with early lib waether permitting but that was not my question what time sun on baskets at those dates ?
frank-123 Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Agree with early lib waether permitting but that was not my question what time sun on baskets at those dates ? sunrise was 5.47
yeboah Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 sunrise was 5.47Spot on sun rise add another half hour before sun on baskets even longer week laterGo down to dookit before sun rise and open doors see how many will come out unless they have been schooled this way since a very young age ,good night lads working early
Guest stb- Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 sunrise was 5.47CANNY BE FRANK THE SUNS UP HERE AT 4AM AT THAT TIME O YEAR AND ITS EARLIER THE FURTHER SOUTH YOU GO
yeboah Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 Spot on sun rise add another half hour before sun on baskets even longer week laterGo down to dookit before sun rise and open doors see how many will come out unless they have been schooled this way since a very young age ,good night lads working early Sorry sun rise longest day 21st june 4-55 so our races 5-30 ish sun on baskets in good weather
walterbmasson Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Posted January 17, 2011 Agree with early lib waether permitting but that was not my question what time sun on baskets at those dates ? IVE JUST TOLD YOU i used to fish in a IRISHfishing boat SPES MAGNA FROM KILKEEL LANDED HERRING IN ST MALO VERY EARLY IN MORNING 3 AM SUN SHINING AND I AM ABSOUTLY SURE SUN ON BASKEFS AT 4 AM PLENTY TIME FOR A 5AM WELL WATERED RARING TO GET OOT O THE BASKETS BUT TGERES NOT A HOPE IF THEY ARE NOT EVEN PHONING TILL AFTER 5 15 AM NO INTENTION OF LIBERATION TILL 6 TO 7AM
walterbmasson Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Posted January 18, 2011 sunrise was 5.47 FIT KIN A CRAP IS THIS 5 47 AM BL--DY FRY EGGS ON THE DECKS AT THAT TIME IN MORNING
Guest bigda Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 FIT KIN A CRAP IS THIS 5 47 AM BL--DY FRY EGGS ON THE DECKS AT THAT TIME IN MORNING you are correct again walter now we are getting near to the answer. not getting out of bed for phone calls till after 6am then why the 4.30 clock agenst the next day bird, walter think the worry to much about the channel at 6 in the morning when the birds dont hit it till about 11am going on 12
frank-123 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 FIT KIN A CRAP IS THIS 5 47 AM BL--DY FRY EGGS ON THE DECKS AT THAT TIME IN MORNING http://www.timeandda...n&afl=-11&day=1 05.47 local time guess its 04.47 here
hotrod Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 thats correct frank 4.47 our time ,ive got to agree with walter to some extent , if great forecast for next morn then why not phone at 4.30am for a 5 or 5.15am lib instead of phoning at 5.15 , surely all out there would agree that ALL the convoy deserve a chance of homing on the day ,and dont forget that if the north boys get another hour so do all of you to time on night . about mid day libs? , although winning the snrpc race(2008) with a mid day lib ,i still would have wished for an early morn lib and time on day any year. but if you/we cant get a lib before 7am then either hold them or lib at mid day ,to make it fair for everyone ,this would be a last resort if forecast wasnt good for the next few days ,jmho
Guest bigda Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 thats correct frank 4.47 our time ,ive got to agree with walter to some extent , if great forecast for next morn then why not phone at 4.30am for a 5 or 5.15am lib instead of phoning at 5.15 , surely all out there would agree that ALL the convoy deserve a chance of homing on the day ,and dont forget that if the north boys get another hour so do all of you to time on night . about mid day libs? , although winning the snrpc race(2008) with a mid day lib ,i still would have wished for an early morn lib and time on day any year. but if you/we cant get a lib before 7am then either hold them or lib at mid day ,to make it fair for everyone ,this would be a last resort if forecast wasnt good for the next few days ,jmho yes thats all that is required and i am sure thats allthat is needed and the earlier there away the less heat in the air, as they come north as our country ain't got the heat that they have over there most times, if that info could be addresses at the agm it would be or could be written in stone, amen bigda as is
Guest IB Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 Walter I agree with what you say about the furthest flying pigeons, but not the way you would solve it. I asked the time of liberation for a reason: if the lib time was 06:15 'our time' as it appears to have been, then that is 07:15 in France. Sun would have risen many hours before that. I think some of the real delay lies in the traditional type of transporters we use. With individual drinkers on 80 baskets it takes our 2 convoyers on Fed races 2/3 hours to water the birds, SNFC convoyers watered every hour at Reims the night before. I don't know how long it takes to cut seals and put the doors onto the release system but I guess that would be another 20/30 minutes. If you want SNFC to go at dawn in France (weather permitting) all these delays need to be factored out, and that would need modern transporters, and the race control team & their contacts on the go from 3am (our time) - or working in shifts - a step-change needed there I think.
Guest bigda Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 Walter I agree with what you say about the furthest flying pigeons, but not the way you would solve it. I asked the time of liberation for a reason: if the lib time was 06:15 'our time' as it appears to have been, then that is 07:15 in France. Sun would have risen many hours before that. I think some of the real delay lies in the traditional type of transporters we use. With individual drinkers on 80 baskets it takes our 2 convoyers on Fed races 2/3 hours to water the birds, SNFC convoyers watered every hour at Reims the night before. I don't know how long it takes to cut seals and put the doors onto the release system but I guess that would be another 20/30 minutes. If you want SNFC to go at dawn in France (weather permitting) all these delays need to be factored out, and that would need modern transporters, and the race control team & their contacts on the go from 3am (our time) - or working in shifts - a step-change needed there I think. a small generator from B@q at £35 will give you light 1 hour before they go, and that is when the weather is described as good to go from the day before, i have been in cornwall when the racing is on and there was fog also, and they guys saying the birds are above them just now waiting for a openig sure as that one appeared 300 birds shot out the sky into there loftscomeing from france
Roland Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 Pigeons fly over Fog / mist. Especially if given a slight run at it. Strangely enough I commented just the other day to a 'National' winner regards the EAST COAST CLUB I.e. THE NRCC and their' stubborn refusal to liberate if any East is in the wind. Their' main reason wused to be - still is sometimes lol - of their' concern that the birds would crash into the Mountains!!! Yes that is true. Then they now say that in East winds the liberation sites are always covered in Mist or Fog. Well as the birds travel between 3 and 15 miles outwards of the coast and over sea, right over the wash - where they actually fly in and around it - I wonder what other tripe these cliche of comittees will bring up to protect their' advantages! Yes of course time may well be that libs are not possible for that, or other reasons.But mostly it is just toff!
Roland Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 Fog has never ever stopped me, or others in our Fed from chucking up in training tosses. Especially if the sun is trying in the least to break through.
dal2 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 Fog has never ever stopped me, or others in our Fed from chucking up in training tosses. Especially if the sun is trying in the least to break through. Dont know about anybody else Roland mate but I for one WILL NOT be trainin in nae FOG, Just mental in my opinion!!!
budgie Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Lets not forget the S.N.F.C are Celebrating 100 years of French Racing and the true members are probably the Best in The World Edited January 18, 2011 by budgie
dal2 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 Pigeons fly over Fog / mist. Especially if given a slight run at it. Strangely enough I commented just the other day to a 'National' winner regards the EAST COAST CLUB I.e. THE NRCC and their' stubborn refusal to liberate if any East is in the wind. Their' main reason wused to be - still is sometimes lol - of their' concern that the birds would crash into the Mountains!!! Yes that is true. Then they now say that in East winds the liberation sites are always covered in Mist or Fog. Well as the birds travel between 3 and 15 miles outwards of the coast and over sea, right over the wash - where they actually fly in and around it - I wonder what other tripe these cliche of comittees will bring up to protect their' advantages! Yes of course time may well be that libs are not possible for that, or other reasons.But mostly it is just toff! Did the SNFC no get a stinker frae Hastings in the 80s when a har drifted in just after liberation?
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