' Dipped ' Pigeons

[showman]

Apologies for starting a new thread, but I didn't want to post on the previous thread regarding judges and what they look for, as I thought it was beginning to go in a different direction.

 

The keeping and breeding of so called 'dipped' pigeons has never given the majority any problems, but when it comes to their appearance on the show bench , there is an ever increasing un-ease both with their presence and the awarding of any prize which may come their way. Many have put forward the argument that it's down to the judge to 'sort them out'. This, as we know, does not work, and has its' own flaws. In itself it brings an added pressure onto a judges shoulders, being now mindful that if they come across these 'dipped' pigeons in a class, as to how to treat them, and the perception of their peers at their decision. Fancy pigeons are governed by a set standard for each variety, so judges can work to that standard. Racing pigeons, show racers and these 'dipped' pigeons do not have any standard to work to, and so we all keep and produce the type that we deem is the 'ideal' for whatever purpose we intend. Ask a fancier to now judge these, and all he can do is give his opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, we have all seen 'dipped' pigeons, getting the better (forgive the expression)some believe, of good, honest and succesful racing men. But surely that's not the case...all they did was give their opinion on the day, thus carrying out the duty they were engaged for. I think we would all agree with the adage that 'everyone is entitled to their own opinion'

 

So where do we take this now ? To remove classes from shows titled 'Likeliest' would likely to be detrimental on 2 levels. Firstly, it would have an adverse effect on birds entered and this may result in the show not being a success both numerically (birds entered) and financially (monies accrued). Secondly, and probably more important, if these classes were removed from shows, those keeping and cultivating these 'dipped' pigeons would have lesser opportunity to partake in their beloved showing, thus gradually forcing them into a position where they 'shut up shop' and leave the hobby. Something which, as fellow fanciers, we would not want to happen. So rather than make life difficult for all concerned, how do we progress this situation ? Is it now time that this particular cultivar of the racing pigeon should have its' own classification (especially at larger shows)? In effect, this is what happened to the show racer, and it has long become an accepted variance on the racing pigeon, with its' own following of dedicated and passionate fanciers.

 

The hobby of keeping pigeons, in whatever facet, is one we have all freely chosen dependant upon our own individual interest. Should it be racing, exhibiting or purely keeping whatever breed we choose just for our own 'back garden' enjoyment. The advancement of time,and a difference in lifestyle and priorities, has seen many changes in every aspect of pigeon keeping, most unfortunately have been to its' detriment. We are part of what is now fast becoming a minority hobby, and without turning this into a 'pigeon politics' debate, we now more than ever have to respect and moreover support and encourage every individuals chosen path. I am a 'showman' and am proud of it. This is the path I have chosen to walk. I don't look up to racing men nor down on fancy men or vice versa....I look them all straight in the eye and give them the respect, as fellow fanciers, they deserve. We, as a pigeon fancying hobby, are constantly under external pressures which may make us analyse our future involvement. The fancy can well do without losing more of its' ranks, and maybe we should now look upon this as being a real opportunity to help expand a new avenue in pigeon fancying, and with little thought and adjustment may well be the way forward to both accomodate and support those who have chosen the 'dipped' pigeon as their chosen path.

[dal2]

Surely likliest to race means just that and any fancier entering a 'dipped' pigeon whose racing genes must be well diluted should perhaps look their motives first as I am sure there are plenty of race/show classes that they could have entered with their 'pure' birds.

JMO

[Delboy]

I dont altogether disagree with dipped pigeons being shown. I disagree with them being shown against racing pigeons.The dipped pigeons should have a class of their own because , some say , without them,shows would struggle for numbers. This may be true nowadays, but, these dipped pigeons are the main reason the numbers in shows have went down . Honest racing men will not put their pigeons in against them,simply because most judges cant differentiate whats dipped and whats not. Lets have race classes without these pigeons and you will see the numbers going up again. Their should be 3 categories for shows 1. SHOW PIGEONS 2. RACING PIGEONS 3. CROSS RACER/SHOW ( DIPPED ) PIGEONS

[hotrod]

I dont altogether disagree with dipped pigeons being shown. I disagree with them being shown against racing pigeons.The dipped pigeons should have a class of their own because , some say , without them,shows would struggle for numbers. This may be true nowadays, but, these dipped pigeons are the main reason the numbers in shows have went down . Honest racing men will not put their pigeons in against them,simply because most judges cant differentiate whats dipped and whats not. Lets have race classes without these pigeons and you will see the numbers going up again. Their should be 3 categories for shows 1. SHOW PIGEONS 2. RACING PIGEONS 3. CROSS RACER/SHOW ( DIPPED ) PIGEONS

spot on derick ,this is why i stopped going to shows years ago and many like me ,so maybe if they had 3 different classes then maybe some more would have a ( FAIR ) go .

[frank-123]

quite correct derek i keep racing pigeons and when i show or race i want to compete against other racing pigeons

[benji]

ive went to alot of shows and most pigeons in a show is stock pigeons and half show pigeons i dont think there is a lot between them because neither raced

[b.massey]

So what people are saying is yous want it all!! The racing and the showing scene. It is impossible to have a dipped class!! As half the people would never admit to it. Racing men have there racing class's and let others have the likeliest class. Oh and trust me when I say these birds race too. Not to win prizes but to do miles.. Maybe you want to change the rules and make it the bird needs to be a champion with loads of firsts in racing before it can be shown!!!! JOKE

[showman]

Question.

If at the larger shows there was for example the following :

 

Class 1) Young bird flown 2010 (flown certificate may be required)

 

Class 2) Likeliest young bird.

 

Would this cater for both parties ?

[Delboy]

So what people are saying is yous want it all!! The racing and the showing scene. It is impossible to have a dipped class!! As half the people would never admit to it. Racing men have there racing class's and let others have the likeliest class. Oh and trust me when I say these birds race too. Not to win prizes but to do miles.. Maybe you want to change the rules and make it the bird needs to be a champion with loads of firsts in racing before it can be shown!!!! JOKE

 

 

HMMMM VERY INTERESTING REPLY BRIAN, racing pigeons in summer,showing pigeons in winter, thats what we were all brought up with.Every club had its own shows and the show pigeons had their own shows. I think you have got it wrong with your comment, the racing pigeon man was showing his pigeons before all these dipped doos came on the scene. I think you want it all. Ive judged 500 mile classes with dipped pigeons in it, to me, thats a form of cheating.

[OLDYELLOW]

Although i race i've only actualy shown once and only showed because it was for a club show race the next season , i got quite a few cards , but shows don't actualy have any appeal to me , although i like to see fancy birds as to me there true show pigeons bred for type and shape feather size and colour , I think racing pigeons should have to at least win one race to be allowed to be into a show . As for dipped pigeons there neither one or the other , but if this is the way the show scene is going then i feel these types of birds should be accomodated but in a class of there own

[dal2]

Maybe the racin boys are gettin in the way of the showers!!

If the dipped birds dinny win any cards how the chuff can they be the likeliest to win? or Race?. Has anybody had a decent result wae a cross breed?.

Perhaps its correct tae have a show that racers dinny enter but please dont call it likeliest to win or fly.

[Delboy]

Maybe the racin boys are gettin in the way of the showers!!

If the dipped birds dinny win any cards how the chuff can they be the likeliest to win? or Race?. Has anybody had a decent result wae a cross breed?.

Perhaps its correct tae have a show that racers dinny enter but please dont call it likeliest to win or fly.

 

Spot on Steven

[OLDYELLOW]

Maybe the racin boys are gettin in the way of the showers!!

If the dipped birds dinny win any cards how the chuff can they be the likeliest to win? or Race?. Has anybody had a decent result wae a cross breed?.

Perhaps its correct tae have a show that racers dinny enter but please dont call it likeliest to win or fly.

yup i agree likeliest to win or fly x amount of miles simply stupid both can only be proven if put in a basket , they are what they are and thats show birds

[merrysilver]

yup i agree likeliest to win or fly x amount of miles simply stupid both can only be proven if put in a basket , they are what they are and thats show birds

 

I disagree with the above comment that Likeliest to win classes are stupid. We have just held our 2nd annual club show and what a great success it was, received 528 entries, our show programme had likeliest classes on it. Our show is held every year to raise some funds for our racing pigeon club.In my opinion we just wouldn't have got the support in the flown classes.

My question would be if we decided to change our show programme and have flown classes, How many of you on here would support it?. Also I attended the Aberdeen fed show last year, again another good show but have noticed this year that they have introduced a Likeliest class. If you are trying to organise a show for your club/ Charity, you want as many birds entered.

[OLDYELLOW]

I disagree with the above comment that Likeliest to win classes are stupid. We have just held our 2nd annual club show and what a great success it was, received 528 entries, our show programme had likeliest classes on it. Our show is held every year to raise some funds for our racing pigeon club.In my opinion we just wouldn't have got the support in the flown classes.

My question would be if we decided to change our show programme and have flown classes, How many of you on here would support it?. Also I attended the Aberdeen fed show last year, again another good show but have noticed this year that they have introduced a Likeliest class. If you are trying to organise a show for your club/ Charity, you want as many birds entered.

I dont show as stated it's not my cup of tea , however some like showing there race birds and like the topic says they cant compete against dipped pigeons and its these fanciers that arent supporting because of the dipped birds

[dal2]

I disagree with the above comment that Likeliest to win classes are stupid. We have just held our 2nd annual club show and what a great success it was, received 528 entries, our show programme had likeliest classes on it. Our show is held every year to raise some funds for our racing pigeon club.In my opinion we just wouldn't have got the support in the flown classes.

My question would be if we decided to change our show programme and have flown classes, How many of you on here would support it?. Also I attended the Aberdeen fed show last year, again another good show but have noticed this year that they have introduced a Likeliest class. If you are trying to organise a show for your club/ Charity, you want as many birds entered.

 

 

Its not aboot who supports what its aboot whether a dipped doo can be classed as a likliest to win or fly or should it have a class of its own or indeed no class at all as its a HYDRID if you like.

I love a good show and was quite good at it when a was a boy. These arguements were around then and I can only see the raceing fanciers point of view as you are either a showman who shows show pigeons or your a racer who shows his racers. Why the need to be both wae doos that blur the boundaries is beyond me. The congratulations on winning a likeliest class wae a doo that needs a calender rather than a clock must be a bit hollow. JMO

[Delboy]

I disagree with the above comment that Likeliest to win classes are stupid. We have just held our 2nd annual club show and what a great success it was, received 528 entries, our show programme had likeliest classes on it. Our show is held every year to raise some funds for our racing pigeon club.In my opinion we just wouldn't have got the support in the flown classes.

My question would be if we decided to change our show programme and have flown classes, How many of you on here would support it?. Also I attended the Aberdeen fed show last year, again another good show but have noticed this year that they have introduced a Likeliest class. If you are trying to organise a show for your club/ Charity, you want as many birds entered.

 

 

Have you not read the previous posts, every show needs these dipped birds now BECAUSE they have taken over from the true flown racing pigeons. It is the dipped pigeons that have wasted the shows for the racing man.

[merrysilver]

Have you not read the previous posts, every show needs these dipped birds now BECAUSE they have taken over from the true flown racing pigeons. It is the dipped pigeons that have wasted the shows for the racing man.

 

I have read the posts Derek, and was just giving my opinion.

[JADE]

i think the decline in shows is because you cant get guys to run them and do the work and club shows have died a death mainly due to many clubs only having a handful of members. its good to see some clubs & feds still running open shows as its good for a day out in thne winter whether you show or not. never understood classes such as "likeliest to fly 100 miles". any doo that cant fly 100 miles shouldnt be in the loft in the first place and any decent judge should bve able to pick out a dipped bird in a racing class.

[Guest spin cycle]

sorry to be thick.....but whats a 'dipped' pigeon?

[OLDYELLOW]

sorry to be thick.....but whats a 'dipped' pigeon?

show racer crossed with a racer

[Guest spin cycle]

show racer crossed with a racer

thanks

[hotrod]

So what people are saying is yous want it all!! The racing and the showing scene. It is impossible to have a dipped class!! As half the people would never admit to it. Racing men have there racing class's and let others have the likeliest class. Oh and trust me when I say these birds race too. Not to win prizes but to do miles.. Maybe you want to change the rules and make it the bird needs to be a champion with loads of firsts in racing before it can be shown!!!! JOKE

brian i dont have a problem with fanciers putting in dipped pigeons in a likliest class say a 500mile class ,its the judge whos at fault ,surely if they dont win short races as u say how would they be likliest to fly 500miles ? ,ps i had a great day out at your show and the dipped pigeons wont put me off coming back next year.all the best

[showman]

show racer crossed with a racer

 

Sorry, but not necessarily correct. I know of teams of what are referred to as 'dipped' and they don't have any show racer in their bloodlines at all.

[b.massey]

Sorry, but not necessarily correct. I know of teams of what are referred to as 'dipped' and they don't have any show racer in their bloodlines at all.

 

This is best statement I have seen of PB for a very long time.. I am just fed up defending myself.. I can go back 4 generations with some of my birds and they still get called show racers or dipped birds. I just gave up defending myself and now agree!! Makes me laugh to myself. But dont bother me. Say what you like about my birds and I will keep coming taking the red tickets!!!!