Is it wrong?

[swilcox]

It has come to light that a batch of young birds were sold in Blackpool with Dutch Rings on that infact were bred in England from Dutch pigeons. Do you think this should be allowed?

 

If you think about it if it was allowed everyone could just trade rings, things would be out of control in no time.

 

Welcome your thoughts

 

Stuart Wilcox

[blackjack]

Sir i think it depends on how they are advertised and that it was clearly stated . If not and they were sold as dutch bred then that is simply fraud and you make a very valid point on rings .

[Guest]

I think there is a RPRA rule that states that the youngbirds must be rung with the rings from the country they were bred in. if you get what i mean.

[jakjak]

Pigeons bred in England, yet sold with NL rings on is deception. This to me is definitely 'out of order'!!

If bred in UK, then they should be rung accordingly.

[Guest]

just scanning over the rules now i cant find it, so not sure where i seen it  :-/

 

the only one about rings i can see is rule 96

[Guest]

It all boils down to ' these things are only as honest as the person who is selling the bird'

[Tony C]

Do I think it should be allowed? No I dont

 

I'm sure you could get them done under the Consumer rights act. I would advise they get a brief look into it.

[stevebelbin]

If they are dutch pigeons bred buy a dutch fancier who has a loft here, then I cant see the prob. But if its a british fancier using dutch rings then he is using the fact that us brits will buy any foreign birds, then its a con.

[Guest Paulo]

well after being to belgium its opened my eyes they think we are stupid as. Enjoyed my beer and shortbread at Van Hoekes through

[Roland]

Well does one really believe that it could be stopped! Out awed yes etc. etc. But stopped, of course not. Like Pedigrees etc. birds are only as reliable as the seller / distrubitor is honest!

[swilcox]

Well i hope it is stopped and for good as its complete fraud and if left un-checked could lead to even bigger fruads (ie the sell of rings and pedigrees only).

 

These pigeons were bred in England and should be rung accordingly!!!!

 

[johnny11]

Could I just add here from another angle "What difference does it make as long as the parents are correct" most people dont fly the ring but the pigeon itself.

 

To me it would be deception to put a ring on saying its from such a pair whereas in fact they are not.

also if people wish to purchase dutch originated pigeons then it is false advertising

 

 

john

[Guest anthony]

What if you go to a chinese restuarant in the UK with all the Chinese decorations,Chinese music,everything looks Chinese even the prices ,you order Chinese foods,with Chinese stiks as tools,and then they give you fish and chips???????????

[Guest slugmonkey]

It is wrong there is no defending it why on earth would you band birds with ANY band other than the correct one if you werent trying to defraud someone ???? later on down the road these birds WILL be sold as imports someone WILL intentionally or unintentionally wind up selling these as imports you should alert the Dutch NPO to this situation as well as your own governing body again this is where someone should be kicked out of the sport and there name posted so others know the dishonest practices that they engage in the Belgiums practrice VERY stringent practices ( LAWS) to keep things like this from happening and I am sure they would be very interested in hearing of this !!!

[swilcox]

Firstly i have informed the RPRA.

 

As to a name, im sure you are aware of who was selling dutch ybs at the Blackpool Show on Sunday Morning.

 

Stuart

[blackjack]

No sir i do not who was it ?.

[Guest Vic]

Stuart! I am sure it  goes a bit further than what you think. eg. There is no rule gainst  Welsh fanciers buying GB rings or vica versa.  Both under different bodies, if you see my point. Vic.

[Guest shadow]

Completely out of order and should be stopped in my eyes it is deception

[Pompey Mick]

Are the Dutch rings issued earlier than GB rings, I think Belgian rings are issued on 1st Jan allowing December hatched YB's to be rung. The RPRA issues rings at a slightly later date to try and ensure that the YB's are hatched at the earliest in January.

They may have been used more as a means of having YB's at a suitable age for selling if the Dutch rings were available on 1st Jan. You cannot have GB rung YBs ready in time for Blackpool.

[johnny11]

Mick

 

Masserrella did at the Savoy

[REDCHEQHEN]

In order to race birds under NEHU rules, the bird has to be registered with the NEHU (foreign rings), you also need a certificate of origin, showing that the birds have been vaccinated for PMV, signed by a vet from the country the rings were issued in, plus the ring card, which all has to be sent into the union office, or you cannot race them.  :-/  don't know the RPRA Rules on this

[Guest]

The question was is it wrong?

 

To answer that, you need to know  (1) why the birds are rung with Dutch rings ... e.g. could have been a batch going over with owners' own rings on them, then cancelled OR eggs sent here and incubated to beat possible ban on import of live birds (2) how the birds were advertised & sold : was their origin made clear and / or the reason(s) for resale given?

 

Some of the posts also seem to forget about practice within UK of ringing youngsters for others, using 'the other fancier's' rings. Thus an SU-rung pigeon could be bred in England, and GB- or IHU- or WHU- or NEHU-rung pigeon bred anywhere in British Isles. Nowt wrong in that surely.

[Guest]

if someone wants to part with their hard earned then its down to their choice aint it

[ALF]

I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY HAD BEEN RUNG WITH DUTCH RINGS AND BRED IN ENGLAND BEFORE I BOUGHT THEM

[Roland]

What if you A. bought Eggs over and wanted to put Dutch rings on the youngsters when hatched?

What if you have 6 stock birds direct and are purely for breeding and selling on!

I know Bernard Manning once said that because a dog has it's pups in a stable, it doesn't mean they are horses. Personally I believe it is only Fraudelent id a buyer is peposelt led to belief something that isn't true. Like I say, any bird, like a pedigree is only as good as the deller is honest.