fletch Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Hi guys can someone see what is causing this problem. I purchased this cock a few weeks ago and noticed a slight mark on his wattles so i treated for worms / cancker and coxidosis. They seemed to clear up. then in week noticed early in the week that marks came back so gave them some tea and it cleared them up then got up yesterday morning and the marks were back. They are like a yellow crusty mark covering his wattles. Apart from this the pigeon is well droppings normal. seems ok in his self and is well muscled up. Not sure what to do next? any help or advice would be appriciated..
Guest strapper Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 this could be the sign of a slight resp infection or nothing but an innocent colour change because of the colour of the bird. have you tried lemon juice in the water?
Shortcut Lofts Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Be careful its not a mild form of pox - it can be found on the wattles and in the throat and mouth. If the crust can be picked off, dab a bit of iodine on. Pox runs for about 3 weeks but will clear up. During infection the birds will eat, fly etc normally and the droppings will also be good. There is this infection going around.
hotrod Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 i think pox is more of a summer /warm weather disease ,more likely to be mycoplasmossis /respitory infection,may need an antibiotic to clear it up though
joe61 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 the pigeon has what is a respiratory infection of the upper nasal tract, teas will do the job for a while but it will return, you did the wrong thing medicating for canker , worms etc ... do not treat pigeons blindly , you do more harm than good, by treating blindly you damage the immune system and hence the reason the infection returns, why people treat blindly i never know, panic maybe. Follow the following instruction, leave the pigeon well alone for 2 weeks to rebuild its immune system, then treat with TYLAN ( antibiotic) for 5 days 2.5 ml to 5 pints of water, then electrolites for 3 days in the water as per instruction on the box. Then follow proceedure again , this ailment should then be cured and well gone, other than that the cheaper option is 1 drop of neat TCP down both nostrils other day for 4 days. ( do not exceed this) Just remember when buying in new birds, that the equilibrium in your loft is different to their old loft, they need to adjust to things, they are animals not just a bird !!! call me if you need help 07989 746150 spencer
REDCHEQHEN Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 We had a cock that always had greasy wattles - and was treat for respiratory - but the greasiness returned almost immediately - he would be sent to a race and come back with gleaming white wattles - only for the greasiness to return before basket day - but again clean wattles on return from a race - it was mentioned to a fancier ( whose young bird we got in) and he said it was a calcium deficiency - so the birds have been given a small amount of calcium twice a week - as well as grit - and he has never had greasy wattles since
greenlands Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 REDCHEQHEN,thanks for info on calcium,will put that one in my note book.
Guest strapper Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 if treating for anything with an antibiotic do not use calcium at any time...this will make the medication bind with the calcium ..ending with the medication weakened and bird not properly treated. grit should also be avoided.
sammy Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 if treating for anything with an antibiotic do not use calcium at any time...this will make the medication bind with the calcium ..ending with the medication weakened and bird not properly treated. grit should also be avoided. yi beat me to it strapper, good man , ;) truth is lad this pigeon has respiritory disease and only treatmwent with anti biotic will do anything for it ,like putting plaster over a cut ,thats all will happen as soon as it starts to rear young birds it will come back ,a known FACT , aint no cure for it
budgie Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Use Ornispecial (New)along withW.N(Red )white nose both products from Belgica De Weerd and they are first class.
Guest strapper Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 ive used ornired which is a good product,but not redily served above the counter lol
Guest cloudview Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 as already stated , let imune system get back to normal , give only natural products and keep in aviary a couple of weeks , fresh air works wonders if that does,nt cure it , im afraid the bird has a weakness and will never be any good
Gaz Jennings Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 this could be the sign of a slight resp infection or nothing but an innocent colour change because of the colour of the bird. have you tried lemon juice in the water? bang on the money mate thats what id say defo respiritory infection.Treat it with doxycycline for 5 days if it persists then get bird sent off to the vets(pigeon vet) that is.
Roland Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Be careful its not a mild form of pox - it can be found on the wattles and in the throat and mouth. If the crust can be picked off, dab a bit of iodine on. Pox runs for about 3 weeks but will clear up. During infection the birds will eat, fly etc normally and the droppings will also be good. There is this infection going around. That's what I thought when I first saw too.
pigeonscout Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 the pigeon has what is a respiratory infection of the upper nasal tract, teas will do the job for a while but it will return, you did the wrong thing medicating for canker , worms etc ... do not treat pigeons blindly , you do more harm than good, by treating blindly you damage the immune system and hence the reason the infection returns, why people treat blindly i never know, panic maybe. Follow the following instruction, leave the pigeon well alone for 2 weeks to rebuild its immune system, then treat with TYLAN ( antibiotic) for 5 days 2.5 ml to 5 pints of water, then electrolites for 3 days in the water as per instruction on the box. Then follow proceedure again , this ailment should then be cured and well gone, other than that the cheaper option is 1 drop of neat TCP down both nostrils other day for 4 days. ( do not exceed this) Just remember when buying in new birds, that the equilibrium in your loft is different to their old loft, they need to adjust to things, they are animals not just a bird !!! call me if you need help 07989 746150 spencer Who said treating for canker worms or coxidosis effects the immune system.
peterpau Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Tylan is not licensed for pigeons and under no circumstances would I give antibiotic blind. Treating canker cocci and worms can only be a good thing but treat one week apart. Redcheckhens advice sounds the best bet. Many of mallady's we have are caused by defficiency, as opposed to infection. Lemon juice on the food would be good as acidfying the gut will help with e-coli and canker.
Guest strapper Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 doxcycline has been a well known treatment for resp...i believe im right in saying that the cycline in it is.. tetracycline.....the treatment thats been proven to be the most affective against resp problems..especially ornithosis. i know of this anti biotic personally as i used to be on it, for a severe chest infection i once had. lemon juice if my memory serves me right was used for the snots? ..also the acidity can help to deter worms staying in the guts....worms do not like acidity in their enviroment. in germany resp problems are reported to be rife, among fanciers.
andrew gooch Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 If u can nail this and say it is respiratory 0.2mil injecton of lincospectin 1 day slepsonal 1dose the following day no more respiratory 2 day cure but u must be 100% sure to avoid furter bammage to your bird
pigeonscout Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 the pigeon has what is a respiratory infection of the upper nasal tract, teas will do the job for a while but it will return, you did the wrong thing medicating for canker , worms etc ... do not treat pigeons blindly , you do more harm than good, by treating blindly you damage the immune system and hence the reason the infection returns, why people treat blindly i never know, panic maybe. Follow the following instruction, leave the pigeon well alone for 2 weeks to rebuild its immune system, then treat with TYLAN ( antibiotic) for 5 days 2.5 ml to 5 pints of water, then electrolites for 3 days in the water as per instruction on the box. Then follow proceedure again , this ailment should then be cured and well gone, other than that the cheaper option is 1 drop of neat TCP down both nostrils other day for 4 days. ( do not exceed this) Just remember when buying in new birds, that the equilibrium in your loft is different to their old loft, they need to adjust to things, they are animals not just a bird !!! call me if you need help 07989 746150 spencer There are antibiotics and there are drugs, antibiotics can also be called a drugs but a drug cannot be called an antibiotic. It is a well known fact that if antibiotics are misused it will harm the immune system. The treatments for canker cocci and worms are a none antibiotic drug. The tree main things that make a pigeon ill are Viruses, Bacterial Infection, and internal / external Parasites. The 1st you cannot treat for so you prevent them by inoculating. The 2nd you treat with antibiotics and the 3rd with drugs or chemicals. Canker Cocci and worms are Parasites.
hotrod Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 If you dont know ,its snot that comes down the nostrils and the bird try,s to claw/scratch it away thats what dirties the wattles
Guest strapper Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 antibiotics cant tell a bad germ from a good one so takes everything out of the bird. thats why is is always advised to treat with a multi vit after treatment. the same reason i believe lucosade is given to ill people after an illness to build them back up. imunity levels cannot be built back up over night but over a while.
andrew gooch Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 antibiotics cant tell a bad germ from a good one so takes everything out of the bird. thats why is is always advised to treat with a multi vit after treatment. the same reason i believe lucosade is given to ill people after an illness to build them back up. imunity levels cannot be built back up over night but over a while. yes i agree u must be 110% before u use these antibiotics and help your bird after treatment. How ever this looks unsightly in the loft so may be this fancer should put some milton in his drinker to help clear the dirty wattle untill he is sure of the problem
pigeonscout Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 If it is just a mark not wet, greasy, or a raised lump could it not be just making the mark some other way i.e. not sickness. I would rule out upper respiratory If the eyes are clear and the beak is closed tight.
andrew gooch Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 If it is just a mark not wet, greasy, or a raised lump could it not be just making the mark some other way i.e. not sickness. yes maybe only the fancer can confirm this. because jumpin for a bottle is not good practice
joe61 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 Who said treating for canker worms or coxidosis effects the immune system. any medication affects the immune system, if you get a bird and treat it with cocci medication it can result in secondary infection like canker!! its a proven scientfically known fact, Dr schrag in Belgium i think has a great book on it. by medicating in anyway the liver and kidneys have to remove toxins from the bloodstream also the gut flora is affected !! do fanciers not know this, its like putting sugar into a fuel tank. you should not do it. but carry on doing what you think is right i wont stop you. its your choice. spencer
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