NEW DOOKIT AND FIRST CLASS DOOS

[Guest youngzimmy]

D0ES A NEW  DOOKIT AND  AND A LOAD OF HAND PICKED FIRST CLASS DOOS  MAKE YOU A FIRST CLASS DOO MAN  IF NOT WHAT DOES

[harky]

D0ES A NEW  DOOKIT AND  AND A LOAD OF HAND PICKED FIRST CLASS DOOS  MAKE YOU A FIRST CLASS DOO MAN  IF NOT WHAT DOES

 

BEING ABLE TO WIN OUT OF TURN AND BREED WINNERS  OMO

[dwh]

D0ES A NEW  DOOKIT AND  AND A LOAD OF HAND PICKED FIRST CLASS DOOS  MAKE YOU A FIRST CLASS DOO MAN  IF NOT WHAT DOES

 

Wish it did! time, patiance,observation,right system, right feeding and a lot of luck

[owen101]

the loft position helps in a huge part aswell

but a good fancier can win no matter where he is

[dwh]

the loft position helps in a huge part aswell

but a good fancier can win no matter where he is

 

VERY TRUE

[showman]

D0ES A NEW  DOOKIT AND  AND A LOAD OF HAND PICKED FIRST CLASS DOOS  MAKE YOU A FIRST CLASS DOO MAN  IF NOT WHAT DOES

 

NO !!

Good birds, contentment, patience, observation, understanding, open minded, comon sense and to master the 'art' of feeding. These are just a few of the  attributes you need to make a mark.

[dwh]

 

NO !!

Good birds, contentment, patience, observation, understanding, open minded, comon sense and to master the 'art' of feeding. These are just a few of the  attributes you need to make a mark.

good stockmanship

and anice slice of luck to top it off

[schouwman71]

 

NO !!

Good birds, contentment, patience, observation, understanding, open minded, comon sense and to master the 'art' of feeding. These are just a few of the  attributes you need to make a mark.

 

agree 100% but most of all top class pigeons will turn our loft round.

[Guest frank dooman]

D0ES A NEW  DOOKIT AND  AND A LOAD OF HAND PICKED FIRST CLASS DOOS  MAKE YOU A FIRST CLASS DOO MAN  IF NOT WHAT DOES

 

NO!! experience along with the above and a  good pair or ears helps it also helps if you get the wee man on your shoulder at times

[Guest stb-]

D0ES A NEW  DOOKIT AND  AND A LOAD OF HAND PICKED FIRST CLASS DOOS  MAKE YOU A FIRST CLASS DOO MAN  IF NOT WHAT DOES

 

NO CHANCE,   ITS  LIKE BEING A TRADESMAN IF YOUVE NO DONE THE TIME YOULL SOON

 

MESS IT UP , GAURANTEED

[robbiedoo.]

i think your doos have got to be happy in there enviroment first and foremost . then you need the luck - time - feeding - observation - correct system for you and your doos the easier the better for both. always listen to the old school and learn from them . thats my opinion even though there is that many first class doo men going about .

[Guest frank dooman]

i think your doos have got to be happy in there enviroment first and foremost . then you need the luck - time - feeding - observation - correct system for you and your doos the easier the better for both. always listen to the old school and learn from them . thats my opinion even though there is that many first class doo men going about .

 

100% correct and what works for one might not work for others

[robbiedoo.]

true frank what works for me might not work for you . one thing i dont get dragged into is all this theary crap and treating on the blind cant see the point in either . i think to much fanceirs think he treats for it so i will treat aswell the better doo man wont treat on the blind.

[Guest frank dooman]

true frank what works for me might not work for you . one thing i dont get dragged into is all this theary crap and treating on the blind cant see the point in either . i think to much fanceirs think he treats for it so i will treat aswell the better doo man wont treat on the blind.

 

i think i might be dissagree with you on the last point but some of the guys i talk to say they dont treat and then they are asking me for something for this and that now i treat blind as you say but let me explainy my reasons first of all iam talking about canker worms cocci resp thats all i actualy believe that it is now impossible to go through a season without picking thease up in the basket and like you iam looking to score at the distance races which realy take place over a six week period so i gear up to have my birds 100% free from all of the above for that period my reason for this is if something goes wrong just at the start of that six week period my season is finnished before it has started i wont take that chance only fit good and free from the above will do well at the distance just my oppinion i dont have a good avain vet on my door step and an endless amount of ££££££ to pay the local vet for me to tell him what i think is wrong

[robbiedoo.]

frank i get my doos droppings tested 4 or 5 times a year if they need treated they get treated but not on the blind . i maybe came across the wrong way i dont treat before pairing if not needed . also the 6 week peroid you mentioned my doos will get natural preventination not cures as you say the 6 week period is what makes or breaks your season as you know your old birds can have resp with out you knowing it until its to late .

[Guest frank dooman]

frank i get my doos droppings tested 4 or 5 times a year if they need treated they get treated but not on the blind . i maybe came across the wrong way i dont treat before pairing if not needed . also the 6 week peroid you mentioned my doos will get natural preventination not cures as you say the 6 week period is what makes or breaks your season as you know your old birds can have resp with out you knowing it until its to late .

 

yes but the point iam trying to make if you get a test done say 3/4 weeks before the gold cup race and your last race for you candidates is the following week as it maybe if they have not had the time on the wing then they pick something up in the basket its just comming to a head at the time you dont need it you wont even know but hey every one to there own i will stick with my ways and wish you and every one else all the best for next season

[frank-123]

i seen a loft this season i am not kidding when i say this the lofts were a foot deep in droppings the roof was barely on sparrows were in the loft/aviary collecting feathers

 

he had an outstanding season in the snfc last year and this

 

[aye ready]

 

yes but the point iam trying to make if you get a test done say 3/4 weeks before the gold cup race and your last race for you candidates is the following week as it maybe if they have not had the time on the wing then they pick something up in the basket its just comming to a head at the time you dont need it you wont even know but hey every one to there own i will stick with my ways and wish you and every one else all the best for next season

 

correct frank we have not got a good avian vet on our doorstep and i have mentioned to you in the past i don't like sending droppings by post,i like you try and set a prevention programme out for the season ahead and always have done and it's each to their own i just like to keep the "counts" down and if their not there i don't think i'm doing the bird any harm if i'm giving a 3 day treatment and if anybody can give me the name of a good avian vet in the falkirk area feel free to do so  but don't tell me lawrie up the high station cos i've dealt with him in the past and was throwing money away

[aye ready]

ps getting out of your bed in the morning ,pigeons are creatures of habit and if their fed at 7 in the morning during racing they need to be fed at 7 every morning because what you are not doing someone else is

[Dave barrie]

just my thoughts on this thread,i dont normally treat for anything apart from the usual vacc every year the doos always look top notch and train very well upto the first race with very little losses,i dont have money for vets bills and i think were going the wrong way for encouraging young lads into the sport with little money, i used to have closed in loft for different systems but have learned over the years that wide open is best and healthiest for flyer and birds,i know a very well known flyer whose loft is wide open to the elements and who doesnt start his birds off until 250ml is reached thro club, totally natural but a keen eye always picks out the weak ones without putting this in the water or that,advice to new starts on this forum, keep your doos asd natural as poss and dont go running and asking dad for money to buy the next best thing, look after them and theyll look after you, good corn and paitience thats all you need. davie.

[frank-123]

as someone fairly new to pigeons

as a novice my birds were twice victims of youngbird sickness some falling off the perches dead as a beginner you have birds from all over

now these boys who never treat have the same family of hardened birds only used to there methods of husbandry and can spot a sick bird a mile away

novice don't have that knowledge treat canker,cocci,worms  is a must for a novice in my opinion

[Guest gladdo]

i think first off all the amount in percentages in looking for the better birds... now im looking for birds the same sort of quality and if i see the same theories what i know that the birds that did well for me already is in similarity ill be taking a chance with them ... its all management ... i have a very good friend that has a great eye for a bird that has a big chance when he selects a bird which is great for him ...my only problem is i race against him ( outstanding pigeon flier ) in my eyes ... won plenty races again.... i think he is up there with the best ... we always talk birds as he is a fanatic... one day i hope ill get the right birds ( first class ) but i m not a idiot and the percentages are lowish id say so its all about hoping birds can do well and bringing in birds that can beat them ( improving team and stock birds aswell ) ... hope all goes well but my theory is you so far 2 years you got to for starters give them 100 % effort to see see how they go and with youngsters work them hard and feed thm as much as they like so they have on board what it takes and you will soon know what has a chance...alot of birds will improve after the first year ... ive raced really well for a new starter 2 years and have gone into partnership and have taking my cocks uo to our new loft however i will be racing in the yearling national with the hens i have as there is no doubt good birds there like a hen ( in which everyone thinks is a cock that got 3 cards as a young bird ) in whom i recieved of a faboulous and very helpful friend simon toon ) great man i hooked up and learned me so much since ive started racing and hopefully will continue to guide me to the top where he is.... another excellent season by far your best as you said but not surprised with the birds you sent me simon as they all still there bar one !!!! now thats quality...next year them hens get hammered in the yearling national !!!! why not.... the big national ... mikey (dublin , ireland )

[Guest gladdo]

oh yeah and also its trusting who you get the birds from that your knowing that they are sending you there best aswell like simon toon !!!!! thanks simon toon ... michael keane ...im getting 10 youngsters of a man i assume to be like simon toon ... j bambling off here so hopefully this time next year ill be writing here about jim... thrusting the supplier off these birds... thanks jim also ...mikey keane...health is very much the key ...this is a must ,,, mikey

[Dave barrie]

fair enough frank, good comments but dont go encouraging new starts to be treating willy nilly itll just bring heartache thro poor doos and expence, if they get birds from diff flyers then they keep them as best they can and learn and try to do things the same time all the time but if maybe your late the doos will soon tell you, doos are creatures of habit, they like routine and they will be fine with good corn and fresh water, nothing will put of a new start more than having to ask for money to buy medicine, jmo

[Guest gladdo]

all i would do personally to say with new starter from my experience is buy fresh good corn and give them fresh clean water every day... use cider vinegar every 2 or 3 days ... always vaccinate all your birds every year ... this is a start,,, odd time slice up some garlic and pop it in the water ...cheap , healhy birds and dont go down the way off buying medicines...i admit i have bought these for security but they were there that i wouldnt have to go looking for some if something went bad but the seals still on them as fingers crossed so far no problems 2 years and birds did really well for a new starter so thats my view ..... mikey...do what you think is right as you will either way...take all the info in and take out what you think its right and put in your regime... mikey ,,, thats best words i could give being in same boat as yourself few years ago ,,, any probs send us a message aswell ,,, mikey ,,