Ivermectin

[Gill Bros]

We have been plagued by falcons and sparrowhawks around the lofts within the last four years lost over 50 pigeons to them.

We were told to try Ivermectin it kills lice and worms also benefit by souring the meat after one or two strikes the falcons and sparrowhawks will not strike your birds around the loft.

We now it does not work for road or racing due to different predetors on rought.

 

Other negative of this product we have since been told it knocks the birds off with racing and breeding and from this we are not looking to use this product if it right.

 

Could anyone who have used this product let us know how they faired with it

 

Racing, club, fed, national results before and after the product

 

Breeding same as above

 

Any response would be appreciated

[wilkins]

thought it was just me , i noticed the performance drop after use

[Michael J Burden]

I used to keep rodents and this is what happened when I put up vaponer fly killers in the room where they are housed. It caused the rodents to become sterile until it was removed.

Whether the chemicals in IVERMECTIN are or do the same thing I do not know.

[j.childs]

never had any problems  used it for the last 3yrs

[REDCHEQHEN]

I used to keep rodents and this is what happened when I put up vaponer fly killers in the room where they are housed. It caused the rodents to become sterile until it was removed.

Whether the chemicals in IVERMECTIN are or do the same thing I do not know.

 

The Vapona fly killers used to contain dichlorvos - which was banned around 2002 and caused problems in pigeons - are you going back that far ?

 

its not the same as ivermectin

[shotgun tim]

where do you buy this from?

[Roland]

Yet Gary Edmunds said the most important thing was Vapona. I really liked hanging it up too

[Roland]

Best is confirm with Bilco, but you will find - I believe - that it is best to have / use Pour On Ivermectin. Like I advocate, regardless whether one believes the part of the Rapture deterrent, it certainly does the same job, if not better all clubs  /feds even, should buy between them and use it.

[les]

it will not  sort your hawk problem out that easy ,if you want it to work you would have to put that mutch on one bird to do the trick that the pigeon would die of overdose ,or if you put the correct dose on each bird the same hawk would have to eat about 10 pigeons for it to do any good .it is a band product now because it does afect BOP if they eat enough birds treated with it ,this was only found out in INDIA,because they was treating the cows  with it ,and the cows in INDIA are sacred and are left to die of natural causes ,so when they died the vultures fed on them and because of the  high amount of ivermectin they had to use to treat the cows it was enough to kill any birds of prey that fed on them .there is a easier way to sort your hawk problem out ,it is doing the rounds ,my advice is when you get to hear about it use it and see for your self ,ATB les.[this also works on the line of flight if you use it when you are training ,and on every type of hawk .]

[Guest IB]

The thread is on ivermectin and it might help to stop a mo and consider why you use it.

 

There are lots of urban legends surrounding its use on the anti-hawk front - is that why you use it? - but for me the sucker-punch on that front was when I visited a falconer website only to find they use ivermectin on their birds of prey too.

 

Ivermectin was also prescription only in UK but was widely available 'under the counter'. Is that why you use it, cos it was something you weren't supposed to use, but could get hold of? Tuff, cos it's been legally available now for a couple of years, and readily available in proper pre-measured safe doses for pigeons.

 

The word on the research front tho is that it is now a spent force. All those years of 'pouring it on' for whatever reason (even in farming) has achieved the result we all know and have come to expect - worms are resistant to it.

 

So you are now left with the insecticide-only bit. At the mo I rely on it for that and for one group of insects only - those that live below the skin, e.g. quill mite - and only as a last resort when no other treatment works.

 

The recognised safe insecticide for pigeons is permethrin. You will find all the household sprays contain it, whether its for wasps, flies, ants etc. As far as I know, it has no side effects in pigeons, tho it is lethal to all aquatic life.

 

 

 

[Roland]

Yes the Falconer do use it ... which they very quickly made sure was promoted as such, and for very obvious reason one might well believe.

BUT that is not the same as 'Pour On' which has a very good on both pigeons and for their owners of course.

[les]

  IAN is it not right that the ivermectin that we used 5 or 6 years ago was different than what we use now . and like i said it was down to the dose you gave your birds [i bet the falconers would not be willing to see if a higher dose would affect their birds ](evil)

[Guest IB]

  IAN is it not right that the ivermectin that we used 5 or 6 years ago was different than what we use now . and like i said it was down to the dose you gave your birds [i bet the falconers would not be willing to see if a higher dose would affect their birds ](evil)

 

I think the only difference now is that the stuff for birds is the correct dose.

 

The complaint back then was that we risked poisoning ourselves and our birds using stuff meant for farm animals, i.e. overdose.

 

Remember that skin is designed to keep outside things out. Ivermectin breaks down that barrier and the chemical gets into the bloodstream.

 

What else comes thro that 'breach' in the skin, and into the bloodstream? Remember billions of bacteria live on the skin.

 

Even 'friendly' bacteria aren't so friendly when they get into places they shouldn't be, like the bloodstream.

 

[Roland]

Stricneen was very dangerous, smoke a ciggerette even... but is still as lethal to day as it has always been.

Never believe the Falconers and the RSPB with the naturual interests to guard.

Of course they state that.... hard able to state otherwise... well not the wise bit at any rate lol

[ChrisMaidment08]

it will not  sort your hawk problem out that easy ,if you want it to work you would have to put that mutch on one bird to do the trick that the pigeon would die of overdose ,or if you put the correct dose on each bird the same hawk would have to eat about 10 pigeons for it to do any good .it is a band product now because it does afect BOP if they eat enough birds treated with it ,this was only found out in INDIA,because they was treating the cows  with it ,and the cows in INDIA are sacred and are left to die of natural causes ,so when they died the vultures fed on them and because of the  high amount of ivermectin they had to use to treat the cows it was enough to kill any birds of prey that fed on them .there is a easier way to sort your hawk problem out ,it is doing the rounds ,my advice is when you get to hear about it use it and see for your self ,ATB les.[this also works on the line of flight if you use it when you are training ,and on every type of hawk .]

oh it does work and very well to

 

[lamper]

Used Ivermectin pour on for the last three years on my rollers-2 drops on the skin at the back of the neck.Havent seen red mite or a feather louse since.Also no need to worm the birds as it kills internal parasites as well.I treat all the birds twice a year and it has had no effect on flying performance or breeding.Wash any spills on your own skin asap and do not over dose the birds.

[Guest]

I am plagued by Percy every year I have a different pair in the quarry about mile and a half away, and they are all over, the sparrowhawk exists in huge numbers but if I could get rid of percy I would happily live with the sparrow hawk. I have used Iver mec the past two years and when using it percy seems to go away. I use three drops every three weeks, does it knock them off? Well this year I flew widowhood with the channel and distance in mind. Across the channel I was 2nd 225 miles, 2nd & 4th 305 miles, 6th 380 mile, 1st and 2nd 473 mile and 78th open NFC Tarbes 556 miles with a yearling and my other entry another yearling would have een 20th section if I'd taken my clock back out, you can oly speak from experience and that is mie. I understand Ivermectin is just another trade name for iver mec but cheaper

[shotgun tim]

where can i get it???????????????????????????????

[Guest]

Agricultural stores Tim, Mole Valley farmers dwon here they are on line but don't know if you can buy online. When we buy we have to give our name and address

[Roland]

Still advocate that every member of any pigeon club should use it.... Can't do any harm in doing so, and may well just have a bonus regards Raptures. Of course it is the former reeasons for using it...

[Chairman]

BEWARE OF THE DOGS! be careful when using it, I watched a farmer using this on his sheep and afterwards grabbed one of the collies which had been scracthing all afternoon, he placed a small drop of it between the dogs shoulders and within 15 minutes the dog was dead.

[carlsberg]

used it on my dogs with no problems also used it on a friends dog that had mainge cleared it up in no time

[Guest IB]

Think you need to check both the web and the factsheet on ivermectin. It is LETHAL to some breeds of dogs, including I think, Collies.

 

As I had said before it was legalised, everyone on here said it was a-OK to use on pigeons, no problems at all. Read the leaflet, it says different.

[Guest]

Think you need to check both the web and the factsheet on ivermectin. It is LETHAL to some breeds of dogs, including I think, Collies.

 

As I had said before it was legalised, everyone on here said it was a-OK to use on pigeons, no problems at all. Read the leaflet, it says different.

 

IB just for clarity nobody can say it's 100% A ok to use on pigeons. In my experience it had not affected my pigeons that's not to say that someone else might have an adverse reaction.

[Tony C]

I think you'll find Ivermecin isn't a sure proof way of getting rid of worms.