pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Ahhhhh i think the penny might have dropped lol, its the covering up bit thats getting to you. Right i'll put it another way, the ring is covered to make it easier for race marking, iT DOESN'T NEED TO BE COVERED, but instead of the fancier saying to the marker,"read the 09 ring" or "read the 08 ring" the one not relevent is covered, its not covered to hide it lol, everybody knows what it is. And would the 2009 ring not prove it was a young bird?
Tony C Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 RPRA rule 129 Race Programmes 129. All federations, combines, amalgamations and national Specialist Clubs and any club racing independently, shall prior to 1st March in each year deliver to the General Manager their race programmes for the year, including race dates, approximate liberation times and the telephone number of the controller of each race. Failure to do so shall result in a surcharge of £10. The General Manager shall draw up a list of all such race programmes and shall before 1st April in each year make the list available for publication in two newspapers devoted to the racing or showing of homing pigeons circulating nationally in the United Kingdom and have such list available for distribution to any of the said convoying organisations on request. Looking at this rule the RPRA doesn’t seem to differentiate between young birds and old birds, all they request is your race program. It is the fed that makes it a young bird and old bird program. I think the only way to get around this is to get it passed at fed level. If there's no rule to cover this (which to me there isn't) by making such a rule or minute you'll not be in contravention of any RPRA rules. Get it passed at your fed, problem solved.
pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Joe where in the rules does it say you are not allowed to pull the heads of another fanciers bird before putting them into the race basket? I do not see one so according to you and your mind set it must be ok to do it as there is no rule to say you cant. Do you see how stupid your argument is.
Guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 ;D ;D ;D what ring number do they read in 2010 then 8) if listening to the few that are arguing the point to have 2 different rings on it wouldnt surprise me if the same bird turned up wearing a 2010 ring i for one would not trust a person surporting/doing this sort of thing it is not getting done to let y/birds get distance as you can send them as trainers so there must be some other reason for it it will never happen in my club
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 the only reason you scots go on about breaking the rules is because there is an SHU rule against racing a bird with two rings of a diffrent year on and YOU LOT CANT DO IT same as you pigeoscout i asked you what were the ihu rules on it no answear so is it against there rules and you got the hump 8cause YOU CANT DO IT oh happy days
peterpau Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Because it cant go in the old bird basket with an 09 ring in the register, but it can wear it. It has to be registered with an 08 or earlier ring, i thought that was the point of the thread. So where do the rules state it must carry an old bird ring. I would personaly see two different year rings as a problem, But what RPRA rules are being broken. What rules state you can't race a young bird with the old uns. I would also have a problem with all young birds being classed as hens.
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 cmon guys you know the real reason you want it stopped is simple you dont want some skanky little runt of a pigeon coming along and knocking seven shades out of your team of super duper widowhood cocks that would be so enbaressing you would not be able to hold your heads up and you would realy take some stick from club members all in all this is a great topic all you scots are against it because you cant do it under SHU rules so you lot dont count oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 ;D ;D ;D what ring number do they read in 2010 then 8) naedoos think about it old sun no dont think you might get a head ache iwill tell you THE CYCLE STARTS AGAIN oh happy days
naedoos Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 naedoos think about it old sun no dont think you might get a head ache iwill tell you THE CYCLE STARTS AGAIN oh happy days only asked cos you'll probably hae a new scam by that time ;D ;D ;D
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 scam jam or auntie pam cmon the skanky runt make em have it oh glorious days
dazza Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 joesy under your system is it right that the same bird can enter a yearling race two years in a row. There is no justification for allowing it and i am English. I could breed the wonder pigeon, first with its 08 ring it wins the old bird national then with its old bird ring again it wins the yearling national. Now cover up the 08 ring and it can then win the youngbird national with its 09 ring. What a brilliant bird! Hang on though the because its not finished yet now using the 09 ring again it can win the yearling race again next year. Genius its now won 4 nationals but now that i want to sell for a million which bird do i sell the 08 bird that won 2 nationals or the 09 bird that also won 2 nationals? Allowing anyone to give a pigeon more than one identity is open to abuse as far as i am concerned. Dazza
pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 the only reason you scots go on about breaking the rules is because there is an SHU rule against racing a bird with two rings of a diffrent year on and YOU LOT CANT DO IT same as you pigeoscout i asked you what were the ihu rules on it no answear so is it against there rules and you got the hump 8cause YOU CANT DO IT oh happy days Joe I race in the NIPA = RPRA and why do you not answer my questions?
pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Is it breaking the rules to race a young bird with old birds YES. Is it cheating to hide the fact it is a young bird YES Are you breaking any rules by hiding the fact it is a young bird YES. Joe do not try and tell me it is not breaking the rules it is and I have told you what rule it is breaking more than once. If you done what you are doing in our club you would be suspended on the spot under RPRA rule 70(a) for trying to race a young bird with old birds by deceit that is a fact and not my opinion. Now tell me Joe what would you do to have that suspension lifted would you say that you did not know it was a young bird wearing a 2009 ring? Do not say I have no right to remove the tape because I have the right to check that birds details are in order and that means checking both its ring numbers tape or no tape. Putting tape on an official ring does not make it a marker ring it is still an official ring that members have the right to see. It may well be your bird but it is not your race and If the officials cannot satisfy themselves the bird is what you say it is then they have the right to refuse that bird entry into that race. It is crap talk to think that nobody has the right to remove a bit of tape to see if you are cheating. That is like saying no one has the right to open your clock to check it. So I will ask you again what would you say in your defence once I suspended you under RPRA rule 70(a) for deceit.
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 ok guys i will clear this up as smple as i can there is no defenertive rule to say it cant be done if you guys dont want to race against people that do it then dont race against them im not twisting your arm you just worry about what goes on in your club and fed and leave others to get on with theirs oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 dazza if some one offerd you big money for a bird like that you would rip their arm off mate and it would not ha ve to be any where near a million but what a fantastic bird that would be so see how far a bird can go with 2 rings makes you think oh happy days
pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 ok guys i will clear this up as smple as i can there is no defenertive rule to say it cant be done if you guys dont want to race against people that do it then dont race against them im not twisting your arm you just worry about what goes on in your club and fed and leave others to get on with theirs oh happy days Joe answer my question, what would you say in your defence once I suspended you under RPRA rule 70(a) for deceit?
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 pigeonscout it a hiperthetical quastion mate as your in ireland im in england so dont play silly games oh happy days
pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 pigeonscout it a hiperthetical quastion mate as your in ireland im in england so dont play silly games oh happy days So I will ask you the same question in another way, what would you say in your defence If a member of the RPRA like me ask for your suspension under RPRA rule 70(a) for deceit? Joe it is you that should stop playing silly games and face the fact you would have no defence.
pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 If I put a 2005 registration plate on the front of my 2009 car and cover the 2009 plate on the back with tape what year is that car? According to you Joe that tape would make it a 2005 car how silly does that sound.
pigeonscout Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Joe as you said in one of your post you cant put a 2009 ring on an old bird but you can put an old ring on a young bird. If a bird is wearing a 2008 ring it could be a young bird or an old bird but if it is wearing a 2009 ring in can only be a young bird. Now if a bird is wearing both 2008 and 2009 rings given the above information it is not hard to work out that bird is a young bird. Now let me make this simple for you, if it is a young bird wearing a young bird ring then to race it with old birds is breaking the rules. The fact that the young bird ring is covered up makes no difference because that bird is still carrying an official young bird ring tape or no tape.
just ask me Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 righht nor mosting here any more going no where only around
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 pigeonscout we are back to tampering and you can not ta mper with a birds ring breaking rules taking the tape is to tamper with the birds ring basketing commitee all that they are at liberty to do is make sure the ring number that is visable is the same on the race sheet not to pick at a peice tape nor poke the bird in the eye nor look down its throut nor look up its bum or to see what colour shoes its got on oh happy days
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 pigeonscout we are back to tampering and you can not ta mper with a birds ring breaking rules taking the tape is to tamper with the birds ring basketing commitee all that they are at liberty to do is make sure the ring number that is visable is the same on the race sheet not to pick at a peice tape nor poke the bird in the eye nor look down its throut nor look up its bum or to see what colour shoes its got on oh happy days J0E,I see that you are again saying that it is breaking rules to remove the tape on the ring,I have asked you a few times to quote me the RULE,still no answear,another question are you prepared to say in what club or clubs and in what Feds this practise is happening.
joe61 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 as ronnie and reggie used to say no comment oh happy days
kirky Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 sorry joe but i think you and your club have there own rule book, do other members put 2 rings on ybs, how many members are in the club.
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