When is a youngbird not a Youngbird?

[just ask me]

 

Yes I emailed them yesterday, awaiting a response. Will copy and paste it when I get it

 

well done be nice to get a answer

[joe61]

hotrod just think if you double rung your babies and race them as old birds time young birds came round yhey would have already been to 4 of the 5 race points for young birds on your race programe{what an edge to have }

 

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[hotrod]

hotrod just think if you double rung your babies and race them as old birds time young birds came round yhey would have already been to 4 of the 5 race points for young birds on your race programe{what an edge to have }

 

oh happy days

as ive said joe im not interested in these races  as i dont race  young birds, i let my babies develope into beautiful yearlings, it works for me anyway , i cant complain with the results i have with these birds as old birds

 

 

[nittin vi]

the guys a pleb for starters I,d like to see him put in this much work in his adult life far less a wee bird trying to cope with all the growing up as well as this amount of work does he have a job himself or one of these tubes who skives all day

[pigeonscout]

70 (a)

Dishonourable = deceptive, fraudulent; cheat, defraud, or deceive and that is what you are doing if you hide the fact that the bird is carrying a 2009 young bird ring so it can race as an old bird. You are breaking the rules so what part do you not understand?

[Guest IB]

Not specifically talking about RPRA rules; must admit to looking at the thread heading 'when is a young bird not a youngbird' a long time ago and answering that straight question in my mind - 'it stops being a young bird after the year of its birth'. The year of its birth is determined (normally) by its ring, although a latebred may carry an older ring, which confers disadvantage to the fancier in that you can neither race it as a young bird, nor the following year in a yearling derby. Nothing wrong in that if you are short of current year rings.

 

But ask yourself why a bird would be rung with two rings each showing a different year of birth? And why cover one up for a time, then cut the other off after a time? If there was nothing to hide, then there would be no need to cover up and no need to cut-off a ring. That shows there is something to hide, and an admission by the fancier that he is trying to gain advantage by 'questionable' means. In Scotland at least, basket committee have the authority, and would be looking at that taped-up ring [seen as a means of identifying a bird in the basket] and yes, it would be disqualified from competing in an OB race, because there is only one answer to the questions above, and that is it is done purely to get round existing rules governing competing in OB races.. they are for OBs, not YBs.

[jacksafc]

A bit late in posting but Joes perfectly correct, and regarding it being deceitful the club and fed members are fully aware of it and should they want to put the additional work in

the option is open to them.no-ones being deceived.

Its been done for at least 18 years up here when quite a few members joined the NFC, when the YB National came round our young birds were maybe at 140 miles and facing a 200 mile jump whereas other members were only flying 140.

To get experience and some distance on the birds they were flown as old birds down to Lillers or Abbeville then the old rings cut off and sent with the NFC.

This doesnt come easy and theres a lot of work involved in it.

[pigeonscout]

A bit late in posting but Joes perfectly correct, and regarding it being deceitful the club and fed members are fully aware of it and should they want to put the additional work in

the option is open to them.no-ones being deceived.

Its been done for at least 18 years up here when quite a few members joined the NFC, when the YB National came round our young birds were maybe at 140 miles and facing a 200 mile jump whereas other members were only flying 140.

To get experience and some distance on the birds they were flown as old birds down to Lillers or Abbeville then the old rings cut off and sent with the NFC.

This doesnt come easy and theres a lot of work involved in it.

 

The people who made the rule that young birds cannot fly with old birds are being deceived because that rule is getting broke when a young bird is entered in an old bird race. If they were race as old birds then how can they then become young birds? cutting the 2008 ring off to leave the 2009 ring on only proves that the bird was a young bird all along and the 2008 ring was put on to deceive.

 

 

[Guest Vic]

I wouldn't waste my waning eyesight on most of the afore mentioned posts. But there was a guy in Liverpools West Derby club, the best ever member ever to grace this  club in my mind, was a guy called Peter Don. He sent ybs to the first cahnnel race for quite a few years. This club by the way, is where Albert Tarleton, and Jimmy Weeder hold claim to fame on their modern  W/H methods. Peter Don would shame them both if he was still with us.  Mark my word!   Who by the way? looks at identification rings during marking. It is easy to make a metal ring look similar to an ID one.

  

[pigeonscout]

A bit late in posting but Joes perfectly correct, and regarding it being deceitful the club and fed members are fully aware of it and should they want to put the additional work in

the option is open to them.no-ones being deceived.

Its been done for at least 18 years up here when quite a few members joined the NFC, when the YB National came round our young birds were maybe at 140 miles and facing a 200 mile jump whereas other members were only flying 140.

To get experience and some distance on the birds they were flown as old birds down to Lillers or Abbeville then the old rings cut off and sent with the NFC.

This doesnt come easy and theres a lot of work involved in it.

 

You say a bit late in posting but Joes perfectly correct, and regarding it being deceitful the club and fed members are fully aware of it and should they want to put the additional work in

 

Are you now telling me that club and fed members are fully aware of breaking the rules by letting young birds race with old birds?

[joe61]

Pigeonscout,you would have to cut the 2006 birds leg of to get a 2009 ring on it,the idea is to get the youngbird into the oldbird races for experience across channel,big money down here in youngbird nat,classic,open,gold rings ect later in the season.

 

ok guys this is the reason they put young birds in with old birds not to win a poxy club or fed race but to win big money in the big races asha has made this point what ever the rpra say it will still go on the clubs accept it because they want birds going through the ringer no birds no money no club people dont to put birds on as trainers no point the babies get no expirence of racing and they learne the ropes quiker people who race these big races do it because they want the money not the glory thats why you see elite clubs forming now racing in this country is so far behind as i say it will still go on regardless

 

oh happy days

[breakaway]

up north combine winner jimmy nicholson has been flying his young birds as SAFC says for many a year

[peterpau]

Young birds must carry a ring of there birth. Old birds however must carry a registerd ring. Don't matter that it carry's a young bird ring. Pointless putting two rings on, as it only needs one and it can be a young bird ring. In the 70's I raced my young 'uns as old birds. now I just rear a few late breds train the hens with the young birds and send in the old hens National. Works well for me.

[hotrod]

Young birds must carry a ring of there birth. Old birds however must carry a registerd ring. Don't matter that it carry's a young bird ring. Pointless putting two rings on, as it only needs one and it can be a young bird ring. In the 70's I raced my young 'uns as old birds. now I just rear a few late breds train the hens with the young birds and send in the old hens National. Works well for me.

i dont think theres anything wrong with racing young with old as long as club allows it but two rings diferent years NO WAY. even two rings same year is ok but still not sure ,why the need to do so

 

 

[joe61]

hotrod are you a member of the rpra or a shu member if only shu i hope your on the top table of at least one of your natinol clubs if not both as you seem to have a good knoledge on most thing pigeon related im sure you would be an asset if you are not a member of rpra i would like to sujest you consentrate on what is happening in scottish racing and try to get your 2 national clubs to race as one and not worry about what is going on in england as scotland seems to be the only place in uk with 2 national clubs which is realy srtange

 

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[hotrod]

excuse me joe  have you not got the mnfc  and the nfc, in wales theres two or three nationals, im a  proud member of  the rpra and this  is open for discussion for ALL members of pigeon basics is it not, and yes im on the management commitee of the snrpc, actually a founder member of the club, and do not do to bad with my birds as well, not like some who come on here and talk crap and condone cheating  sorry bending  the rules

[joe61]

hotrod we all know that the mnfc is not a national its only athe wording there is only one national in england and that is the nfc in wales there is only one true national {they like to kid themselfs}as in scotland there is only one true national so which one is it hotrod

 

oh happydays

[hotrod]

hotrod we all know that the mnfc is not a national its only athe wording there is only one national in england and that is the nfc in wales there is only one true national {they like to kid themselfs}as in scotland there is only one true national so which one is it hotrod

 

oh happydays

well i dont slag off the snfc , as its a great club , but our club THE SCOTTISH NATIONAL RACING PIGEON CLUB is open to anyone who flies in scotland regardless of union.take out of that what you like,and im quite sure you will have rilled up the members of the mnfc  

 

 

[joe61]

you could be right hotrod as you might have riled a few snfc people so which is the breakaway club scnrpc or snfc

 

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[Guest]

a mate of mine (not got meny} did this 10 15 years ago all you do is tape up the 2009 ring for old birds and then put them in as hens then tape up the old ring and race as young birds AND ITS LEGAL

 

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Not legal, deceitful

[joe61]

albear deceitful yes breaking rules no

 

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[frank1]

well i dont slag off the snfc , as its a great club , but our club THE SCOTTISH NATIONAL RACING PIGEON CLUB is open to anyone who flies in scotland regardless of union.take out of that what you like,and im quite sure you will have rilled up the members of the mnfc  

 

 

who cares who its open to snrpc

it will never be as great as the snfc

 

 

[pigeonscout]

If you send a bird that wears a 2009 ring, covering that ring to hide the fact that it is a young bird so it can get the experience of a couple of races under the false pretence that it is an old bird is cheating not bending the rules it is plain and simple cheating. If your found to be cheating you should never be allowed to race another bird.

[pigeonscout]

albear deceitful yes breaking rules no

 

oh happy days

 

Breaking the rules YES, to deceive is to break the rules

[gangster]

i must add i know a guy who did as joe has stated covered year of birth ring and had an old ring on other leg in fact the birds won as old birds and youngbirds in the same year.....and he has not been shy at telling people..CHRIS BALSON.....