confused

[jonjon]

hi the reason im confused im trying to work on my pairinging for next yr but at the same time thinking of the futcher as some of my stock are old so what would u do

[ALF]

Take a drink and chill out ;D ;D ;D

[terry mccarthy]

take first round for racing second round pick from that to replace the older ones

[just ask me]

put the best racing birds in the stock loft over the next 2 3 year as i belive your best racers in most cases will be your best breaders just my point of view

[Guest IB]

Watch for birds 'outside the breeding loft' that are winning and throwing pigeons to win.

[Lennut Tar]

hi the reason im confused im trying to work on my pairinging for next yr but at the same time thinking of the futcher as some of my stock are old so what would u do

 

Another one !!!!!!!! has joined the club (Confused)   ;) here. Go for youth every time for the stock loft etc, as far as I'm concerned. You never want a loft of old age pensioners (Like me)  :'( :'( :'(, or you will be on the road to nowhere quicksmart "LOL".

Enjoy.

 

 

[Guest]

i think thats the secret we would all like to know what to put into the stock loft so if you crack it pm me and let me know its trial and error if your lucky well done if not keep trying good luck

[Chairman]

Get rid of any stock bird over 3 yrs of age, that has not bred anything decent, the game is hard enough and it will save your pocket having to payout for expensive to feed mediocre stock, the way forwards is always quality and not quantity. The problem with old stock birds is the quality of milk seems to be always poor no matter how you supplement their feed. I once remember reading an article somewhere relating to a theosis study carried out on teams of stock birds at various lofts in many locations and the results showed that more winners were produced by yearlings than anyother combination. Take a look in your own loft next year and watch the quality and the rate of which they grow from your yearling pairings, if you do so you will have answered this question yourself. Its a fascinating game and you can be given advice readily but there is nothing to beat the experience you endure within the four walls of your own loft.

I hope this may have been the answer you are looking for.

[the pigeon_milker]

(how old is old) keep the old ones if you can the ones that might make good young fast birds for you i would think about next year when ya wish you not got rid cos of ybs lost in the wind

[grizzal]

if the older ones are not breeding any decent YBS replace them.

With as mentioned above best 2 best or winner 2 winner

[hepste]

Regardless of age pick out your very best cock that has won, and breeds winners, and your very best hen that has won and breeds winners - and give them to me!   

[Guest IB]

 

Think you have to watch the 'numbers' and 'age' game. Yes yearlings breed more winners than any other group. Bound to. They are the biggest group by far in everyones loft !

 

There are other threads on 'age'. Think it depends on what distance you want to fly, for example long distance pigeons may not mature till 3 yo. That's 4 years to wait for your 1st line to be proved at the distance. Pair up to another hen / cock the following year, and that's 5 years for your 2nd line to be proved ......

[Fair Play]

Many a good tune has been played on an old fiddle - do not be too quick to discard

[valteng]

nyahahaha.... cool.... race all of them until they gone...

[j.childs]

1st & 2nd round as normal for racing, inbred latebreds for stock(only off the best breeders though)

[Tony C]

If you have a good racing hen pair her to her sire and the young from this pairing are your future breeders (if they're sound in every way)

[peterpau]

If you have old stock that have bred the goods in the past put 'em to something younger may be. Take it from an old 'un a young bird will soon put lead in your pencil

[Chairman]

If you get to a hundred, you have made it, there are not many die after that age ( the late and wonderful george burns).

Beware of the old age pigeons, old aged pigeon fanciers they keep many old birds around them to make them feel young, its youth you need on your side.Next time your out shopping with the missus and a teenage mother passes you by pushing her child in a pram take note of the robust and healthy baby she has produced.Now thats what we all want? no not babies strong youngsters from virgin stock.

(somehow I know I've opened a can of worms up here, before I press the submit button) hear goes boys..!

[Guest Freebird]

If you have old stock that have bred the goods in the past put 'em to something younger may be. Take it from an old 'un a young bird will soon put lead in your pencil

 

Nice, I like the way you think "Old cock"(evil)

[jimmy white]

i think thats the secret we would all like to know what to put into the stock loft so if you crack it pm me and let me know its trial and error if your lucky well done if not keep trying good luck

 

quite agree,,, sometimes its even luck  ,,,,think the main thing is keep winning robust birds,,,,,,,,,then just try ;D  

[Guest]

Jon wahta contensious question, if you know your birs you should know the answer. Age has little bearng to me. If the bird is a quality breedr and is healthy I would continue to breed. If you go to any man with a champion long distance family you will find his birds breed well past 15 years, the real exception.Of course the other problem is matching birds. This is my opinion and if you think I'm talking via uranus I'm happy for you to think this but I can pick the best by the eyes (not eye sign), this is sometimes a handicap because it is so frustrating when you know you have a bird that will breed but you haven't got thre right hen. Because you have two champion breeders in your loft and you put them together, in some instances this pair that have bred many a winner when put together breed rubbish!! Why well the only way I cn expalin is to relate a story Will 'Trecatty' told me over 30 years ago.

You've been invited to a wedding and you need a new outfit. You go to one shop and try on a pair of trousrs perfect fit, look good. A few days later at another shop you see a jacket, try it on brilliant you like it and a good fit. You get hme and put them both on and you look a t88t. They aren' the right match even though individually they are perfect. If the bird does not have a good eye in other words is not a very good pigeon  it doesn't come to my loft but if I don't have the match, it eventually goes not because it's rubbish it's just that I haven't got the right match to breed the quality I want!

If you think I can't pick by the eye then I respect that please do not disrespect me by attacking my belief. Also I write the above to stimulate thought and discussion without which none of us will ever learn

[Guest]

Sorry for all the misspelling and confusing sentences in places above , when I'm on a role tend to just spew it out and often do not hit the keys hard enough!!!

[Guest Freebird]

Jon wahta contensious question, if you know your birs you should know the answer. Age has little bearng to me. If the bird is a quality breedr and is healthy I would continue to breed. If you go to any man with a champion long distance family you will find his birds breed well past 15 years, the real exception.Of course the other problem is matching birds. This is my opinion and if you think I'm talking via uranus I'm happy for you to think this but I can pick the best by the eyes (not eye sign), this is sometimes a handicap because it is so frustrating when you know you have a bird that will breed but you haven't got thre right hen. Because you have two champion breeders in your loft and you put them together, in some instances this pair that have bred many a winner when put together breed rubbish!! Why well the only way I cn expalin is to relate a story Will 'Trecatty' told me over 30 years ago.

You've been invited to a wedding and you need a new outfit. You go to one shop and try on a pair of trousrs perfect fit, look good. A few days later at another shop you see a jacket, try it on brilliant you like it and a good fit. You get hme and put them both on and you look a t88t. They aren' the right match even though individually they are perfect. If the bird does not have a good eye in other words is not a very good pigeon  it doesn't come to my loft but if I don't have the match, it eventually goes not because it's rubbish it's just that I haven't got the right match to breed the quality I want!

If you think I can't pick by the eye then I respect that please do not disrespect me by attacking my belief. Also I write the above to stimulate thought and discussion without which none of us will ever learn

Very wise input to this thread. What do you mean by eye if not eye sign. I think it is all down to genes and if we could match pairs with a system then wow!!! I know with my limited knowledge of breeding for colour and pattern that you can not guarantee perfect youngsters from perfect parents in fact it is preferable to mix parents with different but required traits for the youngsters. This I would think should be the same for racing ability. Yes Albear this is for you this time(evil)

[Guest]

Well freebird, I look at the eye for constitution,the better the constitution the better the pigeon!! Then I look for what distance and this is a secret Carney has never ever disclosed and I can tell you I have never read any of the eye sign men getting near too it. and then velocity. One important factor in this mix is nurture. I remember the case of a South Wales guy who was a brilliant Oxbridge graduate, he became a drug runner and was damn good at it until he got caught!! He was a wrong un you get some birds like that especially if abussed they have all the capability in the world but don't use it to theirs and everyone elses benefit. You can have top top birds and some will never win because mentally they couldn't give a stuff and you will never change them but their siblings are terrific, they're just wrong uns. I have such a cock in my widowhood team he is my first pigeon at 80 mile to the loft but never a winner any further and he turns up when he wants but looking at his eye he has the constitution to win to 300 mile but alas poor yorick slap him on the head son. I'm sure he wll breed but he won't in my loft!

[Guest Freebird]

Well freebird, I look at the eye for constitution,the better the constitution the better the pigeon!! Then I look for what distance and this is a secret Carney has never ever disclosed and I can tell you I have never read any of the eye sign men getting near too it. and then velocity. One important factor in this mix is nurture. I remember the case of a South Wales guy who was a brilliant Oxbridge graduate, he became a drug runner and was damn good at it until he got caught!! He was a wrong un you get some birds like that especially if abussed they have all the capability in the world but don't use it to theirs and everyone elses benefit. You can have top top birds and some will never win because mentally they couldn't give a stuff and you will never change them but their siblings are terrific, they're just wrong uns. I have such a cock in my widowhood team he is my first pigeon at 80 mile to the loft but never a winner any further and he turns up when he wants but looking at his eye he has the constitution to win to 300 mile but alas poor yorick slap him on the head son. I'm sure he wll breed but he won't in my loft!

What???, translate please ( and that's from a scotsman )(evil)