Hours Of Darkness

[Guest Vic]

It happenned to me in the Hillside a few years back. I had the only two at clock opening on the first day, then the wife phoned to say a third had arrived. Rather than go home and return late at night, I told her just to let the bird in without clocking it. On returning home I clocked in to  my second clock, and was given a time oof 5.00am second day. The race in question was Niort which along with the other five channel races, close at 10. 30pm and open at 5.00 am. I am not quite sure, cos I am losing my marbles now, but must a clock be  read on the same day of timing?    

[PIGEON_MAN]

It happenned to me in the Hillside a few years back. I had the only two at clock opening on the first day, then the wife phoned to say a third had arrived. Rather than go home and return late at night, I told her just to let the bird in without clocking it. On returning home I clocked in to  my second clock, and was given a time oof 5.00am second day. The race in question was Niort which along with the other five channel races, close at 10. 30pm and open at 5.00 am. I am not quite sure, cos I am losing my marbles now, but must a clock be  read on the same day of timing?    

 

Your right there Vic a clock must be read on the day of clocking,but saying that some Unions could have differant rules.

[REDROCKET]

what if your bird only just makes it home at say 10:45pm and your winning , the boys in aberdeen have no chance of beating you if there is no hod ,it would be very unfair to all the longest fliers in all long distance clubs.how many birds are actually timed in after 10:45 pm and before 04:45 i'll tell you very, very few .

 

thats right few but going by these rules fewer and the long distance boys in aberdeen dont expect a day bird anyway so it dosnt afect them if i get a bird at half ten it should be clocked at half ten not at five in the morning lets not be silly about this

 

[Guest]

A race closes at 10pm and reopens at 5am.

I clock in at 10.10pm is this a day bird and my time is 10pm or is it a day bird and my time is 10.10pm or is it classed as a second day bird and my time is 5am?

 

its a day bird but the bird timed in before the start of the race will be only a second apart no difference between them

[hotrod]

listen mate it is clocked at half ten but if the race closes at half ten then it will be  the opening time as well cant you understand that?

 

if the race closes at 10:30 pm and opens at 04:30  its the same time because the race is closed in between .so 10:31 is also 04:31

[Guest]

to make it easy if i time a bird after the race colses say 10-15 and another at say 4-30 before the race opens again they will both be the same vel. but the bird timed before 12 o-clock is a day bird cant be any other way

[Guest mytton6]

if its timed after the hours off darkness as set  you say 22.00 hrs its oficial time should be 0.4.30.01 when the race reopens   , if the race has closed at ten at night how can it be on the day the race as closed, end of the race ????? till the following morning when it reopens , unless there is a rule saying different ,. which i belive the unc have but never seen one in all rpra races

[b.massey]

Yeah the Vel is calculated on the time on the wing... So if the lib is at 0600 and timed in at 2230 its 16 hrs 30 mins..... And if timed at 04.30 its still 16 hrs 30 mins.... the race is closed so time does not count in between

[Guest]

if its timed after the hours off darkness as set  you say 22.00 hrs its oficial time should be 0.4.30.01 when the race reopens   , if the race has closed at ten at night how can it be on the day the race as closed, end of the race ????? till the following morning when it reopens , unless there is a rule saying different ,. which i belive the unc have but never seen one in all rpra races

 

you may be right there but we have a rule that the race closes at 11pm but a bird timed before 12 will go back to 11pm and be classed as a day bird any birds timed between 12pm and the start of the race i think its 4-30 will get the start of the race (4-30 ) 2nd day bird but nothing between them

[REDROCKET]

but if i get my pooler at 11pm  and someone 20 mile further than me gets his pooler at  4.40 am he wins the money with over fly is this not so . ps hotrod no need for the temper

[aye ready]

in my case i timed at 10.42 on the day a stirling fancier with an 11 mile o/fly timed in at 4.45 in the morning to beat me cos the race was closed  from 10.30 to 4.30 surely this rule should be scrapped this was a scc race from brussels and my hen had done 16 an a half hours on the wing

[REDCHEQHEN]

in my case i timed at 10.42 on the day a stirling fancier with an 11 mile o/fly timed in at 4.45 in the morning to beat me cos the race was closed  from 10.30 to 4.30 surely this rule should be scrapped this was a scc race from brussels and my hen had done 16 an a half hours on the wing

 

but you would have got 4.30 (and 10.30 pm) and 'gained' 12 minutes in effect - whereas the other guy didn't gain anything - swings and roundabouts

 

yours had 16 hours 42 minutes on the wing - but 12 minutes was wiped out making it 16 hours 30 minutes - the other had 16 hours 45 minutes - all counting (evil)

[aye ready]

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[REDROCKET]

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my point exactly what a load of crap scrap it

[b.massey]

Why is it in place anyway may I ask?? Must have some reason for being a rule?? :-/

[aye ready]

in my view if a pigeon is game enough to keep coming from a race it should be credited  on that time. How do they work it on the continent?

[Guest]

so are yous saying that a nat race in scotland i fly 560mls and some one in the borders flys 460mls his bird can easily make it on the shift mine cant say nose wind all the way scrap the hrs of darkness my bird has to go down for darkness or even the fact that 16hrs on the wing is a birds max. martin whos to say if that stirling bird was racing to grangemouth it would have made it on the shift as well i know its madining but its the only fair way to do it

[aye ready]

point taken frank just as u say maddening at the time but i suppose after a bit of thot  ur right gives all birds an even chance

[aye ready]

ps good luck from WF

[Guest]

same to you martin i hope your 2nd to me lol!!! ;D

[REDROCKET]

still dont agree totally there's different ways to look at it but rules are rules i suppose and rules are made for breaking and scraping lol

[hotrod]

still dont agree totally there's different ways to look at it but rules are rules i suppose and rules are made for breaking and scraping lol

how would you do it then red ?

 

 

[Guest mytton6]

Hi the hrs of darkness is a fair rule for the longer flyers , say the first bird in the race arrives just before 10 flying say 500 miles  when its nearly dark , but there was a bird flying say 540 miles ten mins in front of the bird timed in at 500 , this bird as no chance of making 540 on the winning day due to it being dark thats why to have a fair race thats why theres hrs of darkness

[hotrod]

correct

[Guest IB]

There was an interesting article in BHW good few years back about hod, from memory its main point was if you got the race closed hours wrong, you could alter the true result of the race. Also claimed few take into account sun sets earlier the further south in UK you are?

 

Thread and approach of channel racing prompted me to check what SHU / SNFC position was. As has been said earlier in thread, different organisations, different times, and SNFC have different hod times for each of their races. Makes sense because sunrise / sunset changes going towards / away from equinox. Interested in earlier statement about 'can't give a bird a time earlier than it achieved'. Time in in SNFC between after close of race at 1100 and before midnight, and you are credited with 1100. Time in before 0430 and you get 0430. But the thread makes claims '1100 and 0430' are the same, I just can't see that now,

1100 must be the time which acknowledges a day bird, and 0430 a second day bird?