loss of leg use when laying ?????

[Guest joshdonlan]

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[Guest Jargre-]

 

That is true for calcium deficiency but in this case it is only one leg not all the muscles so it cannot be that!

Yep it can, each leg is seperate from each other, they don't have the same balance of calcium, one could easily have stored.  Did a check with a vet friend for you and he did say there could be a trapped nerve caused by pushing of egg, whacky but true.  Once inflamation of pressed nerve goes down leg will come back to life, in the meantime move it about a little to stimulate blood flow mate.  

 

 

[pjc]

Riboflavin Deficiency

 

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[Guest IB]

Yep it can, each leg is seperate from each other, they don't have the same balance of calcium, one could easily have stored.  Did a check with a vet friend for you and he did say there could be a trapped nerve caused by pushing of egg, whacky but true.  Once inflamation of pressed nerve goes down leg will come back to life, in the meantime move it about a little to stimulate blood flow mate.  

 

A deficiency would lead to nerve function shut-down throughout the body, not just one leg.

 

Need to check it out, but I'm sure that even the calcium needed for a young human growing in the womb comes from the mother's skeleton.

 

Don't understand how calcium alone can be identified as 'the deficiency' when it has a finely balanced & complex interaction between it and phosphorous, Vits A & D. One out of balance will have an affect on the others, feed one and others are out of balance too..

 

[gangster]

lack of calcium

 

spot on i  give dog calcium tabs broken up works a treat

[Guest strapper]

Has anyone heard of giving cows milk for calcium. Ive heard stories of one old guy who was a dairy farmer and he gave his birds milk, sometimes even instead of water, and they were always fighting fit  :-/

 

read my post earlier..i state using milk

 

i used it a few years back

[Guest Jargre-]

 

A deficiency would lead to nerve function shut-down throughout the body, not just one leg.

 

Need to check it out, but I'm sure that even the calcium needed for a young human growing in the womb comes from the mother's skeleton.

 

Don't understand how calcium alone can be identified as 'the deficiency' when it has a finely balanced & complex interaction between it and phosphorous, Vits A & D. One out of balance will have an affect on the others, feed one and others are out of balance too..

No it wouldn't, it can be localized, I just go with what qualified experts say, I know you won't take this personal  but I'll take the word of an avian vet over our views any day of the week.  Sorry to sound so blunt and just so people know it isn't personal we did say via p.m a good while back that we wouldn't always have the same theories and agree to disagree on times.  My betting is its a trapped nerve if its only one leg.    

 

 

[Guest dogeon]

had exactly same prob with a hen last year after laying, 3 days later she was back to normal, was told by another fancier maybe a trapped nerve.

you are correct the egg has put pressure on a nerve (syatic) she will be fine in a few days

 

 

[oldguy]

thanks for the comments guys, the hen is up and about today, and has returned to her nest box, although her eggs were replaced with a pot one, and the originals put in an incubator, she can have them back in a couple of days

 

must have been a trapped nerve

 

kev

[clayton moore]

The problem is calcium deficience. No ifs no buts no trapped wind no trapped anything put sol calcium in your drinker or give her a little corner of a calcium tablet by the time you put her back in her box. Or on the ground she will be well.

[Guest QUIETMAN]

HI, OLDGUY. at times the bird will flop down on the floor,shaking it's wings unable to stand,it has  MAGNESIUM deficiency this complaint usually in a milder form, is common in animals used to perform at high level of production,as a racer,breeder,or producer .dairy cattle constantly producing large quantities of milk,are plagued by the 'STAGGERS' after calving every year as they 'dump' enormous quantities of their most precious elements into their milk flow to boost the start in life for their offspring,if they do not recieve half litre boost from a vet they are in real danger of dying .even poultry,laying eggs at a rate of 7 to 10 per week can go down like ninepins if they are not treated with MAGNESIUM SUPPLEMENT,and animals like race horses,greyhounds and racing pigeons also suffer from a deficiency all too often the nervous system 'misfires'and starts to malfunction when this element is in short supply A couple of magnesium tablets a day for 2 or 3 days will work wonders.

Hope this is of interest

THANK YOU

QUIET-MAN  

[Taylorsloft]

to fat over feeding  :X

[dal2]

thanks for the comments guys, the hen is up and about today, and has returned to her nest box, although her eggs were replaced with a pot one, and the originals put in an incubator, she can have them back in a couple of days

 

must have been a trapped nerve

 

kev

 

Please to hear all well. Did you give anything or just waited?

 

 

[billt]

Sorry lads but it is a Vit. B deficiancy, the liver will make it up in a day or two but if you want a result in minutes the cube of bread with marmite will do the trick  

[Guest QUIETMAN]

HI,the old hand tablets you are looking for to treat the above are called 'ELEMENTALS'

magnesium and kelp tablets all in one tub.

THAK YOU,QUIET-MAN.

[Guest Jargre-]

glad to see it appeared to be just a trapped nerve, mind you looking at the posts you got plenty of diagnosis'   ;D ;D ;D

[Guest beautyhomer]

HI, OLDGUY. at times the bird will flop down on the floor,shaking it's wings unable to stand,it has  MAGNESIUM deficiency this complaint usually in a milder form, is common in animals used to perform at high level of production,as a racer,breeder,or producer .dairy cattle constantly producing large quantities of milk,are plagued by the 'STAGGERS' after calving every year as they 'dump' enormous quantities of their most precious elements into their milk flow to boost the start in life for their offspring,if they do not recieve half litre boost from a vet they are in real danger of dying .even poultry,laying eggs at a rate of 7 to 10 per week can go down like ninepins if they are not treated with MAGNESIUM SUPPLEMENT,and animals like race horses,greyhounds and racing pigeons also suffer from a deficiency all too often the nervous system 'misfires'and starts to malfunction when this element is in short supply A couple of magnesium tablets a day for 2 or 3 days will work wonders.

Hope this is of interest

THANK YOU

QUIET-MAN  

 

What a load of inaccurate rubbish!Dairy cattle are not plagued as you put it by Staggers or hypomagnecemia to give it its correct name after calving every year.You are thinking of Milk Fever or hypocalcemia which can occur if the cow has not been managed properly prior to calving.As for having to get the vet out to administer some bottles of calcium,do it yourself!

Hypomagnecemia usually occurs when a cow takes up pottasium in favour of magnesium when out at pasture.This can be limited by not applying fertilizer with a high potash content.

[Guest stb-]

glad to see it appeared to be just a trapped nerve, mind you looking at the posts you got plenty of diagnosis'   ;D ;D ;D

 

THINK ITS GOT EVERYTHING KNOW TO MAN NOW  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[greenlands]

Calcium/Magnesium take your pick,this is what I use and it works every time if you have the problem,I started using this so I didn't get the problem.

The information on a box of Osteocare says Nutritional Vale/10ml is.

Calcium 300mg.

Magnesium 150mg.

Zinc 6mg.

Vit D3 3.8ug.

 

Lindsay

[ch pied]

 

What a load of inaccurate rubbish!Dairy cattle are not plagued as you put it by Staggers or hypomagnecemia to give it its correct name after calving every year.You are thinking of Milk Fever or hypocalcemia which can occur if the cow has not been managed properly prior to calving.As for having to get the vet out to administer some bottles of calcium,do it yourself!

Hypomagnecemia usually occurs when a cow takes up pottasium in favour of magnesium when out at pasture.This can be limited by not applying fertilizer with a high potash content.

when they get that bottle in them for milk fever, stand back , as they bounce up real quick ;D

 

 

[Guest Owen]

Now that this bird is up and about, I hope you do not run away with the idea that the problem is solved. You have heard all the views and guesses and you now have to take your pick as which one you believe. What beautyhomer has said is dead right. The ones who have tried to tell you that it is likely to be a vitamin dificiency are wrong. The trapped nerve people are also wrong. Your pigeons(plural) must have and adequate supply of minerals so that they can utilise the other element of their diet. If, as I suspect in your case, the bird has an inadequate supply of minerals, it's ability to utilise the vitimins will be reduced. And if there is a shortage of calcium and magnesium the bird will utilise the elements that are in the body. When that happens the body can not work as it should and the bird will be ill/lame. The remedy is easy to see. Give your birds fresh minerals every day. I repeat, every day. If you watch your birds you will know that they are always on the lookout for minerals. That is why they go fielding and root around on your lawn and in your flower beds. It is vitally important to try to provide what they need. I would be willing to bet that if you had not done something to improve matters, you would have had birds with egg binding. And that is crass mismanagement.

[mackems]

must agree young hens should lay without any problem happened to me with old hen last year and they get all kinds of min grit etc even give them liquid calcium prior to laying poultry spice during and after moult  :-/

[ch pied]

there wasen't much of this about , when fancier's were still White washing their loft

[Guest puresoontjen]

Now that this bird is up and about, I hope you do not run away with the idea that the problem is solved. You have heard all the views and guesses and you now have to take your pick as which one you believe. What beautyhomer has said is dead right. The ones who have tried to tell you that it is likely to be a vitamin dificiency are wrong. The trapped nerve people are also wrong. Your pigeons(plural) must have and adequate supply of minerals so that they can utilise the other element of their diet. If, as I suspect in your case, the bird has an inadequate supply of minerals, it's ability to utilise the vitimins will be reduced. And if there is a shortage of calcium and magnesium the bird will utilise the elements that are in the body. When that happens the body can not work as it should and the bird will be ill/lame. The remedy is easy to see. Give your birds fresh minerals every day. I repeat, every day. If you watch your birds you will know that they are always on the lookout for minerals. That is why they go fielding and root around on your lawn and in your flower beds. It is vitally important to try to provide what they need. I would be willing to bet that if you had not done something to improve matters, you would have had birds with egg binding. And that is crass mismanagement.

 

 

your answers are  always long winded....... you say the ones who said vitamins are wrong, nerves are wrong , yet your right and you  dont know whether anything was given to the bird in question before recovery, so only oldguy knows if anything worked .  vits? mins? or a nerve pressure was released  

oldguy stated he gave a good diet, grit, fresh greens, iodine/cuttlefifh before and only had the problem when she was laying her second egg so where does egg bound come in to it when she'd had the eggs and oldguy kept them for her to re-site them in a few days.

 

 

[pigeonscout]

Now that this bird is up and about, I hope you do not run away with the idea that the problem is solved. You have heard all the views and guesses and you now have to take your pick as which one you believe. What beautyhomer has said is dead right. The ones who have tried to tell you that it is likely to be a vitamin dificiency are wrong. The trapped nerve people are also wrong. Your pigeons(plural) must have and adequate supply of minerals so that they can utilise the other element of their diet. If, as I suspect in your case, the bird has an inadequate supply of minerals, it's ability to utilise the vitimins will be reduced. And if there is a shortage of calcium and magnesium the bird will utilise the elements that are in the body. When that happens the body can not work as it should and the bird will be ill/lame. The remedy is easy to see. Give your birds fresh minerals every day. I repeat, every day. If you watch your birds you will know that they are always on the lookout for minerals. That is why they go fielding and root around on your lawn and in your flower beds. It is vitally important to try to provide what they need. I would be willing to bet that if you had not done something to improve matters, you would have had birds with egg binding. And that is crass mismanagement.

 

How can you say that it is not a vitamin dificiency ?

The man stated the birds had been getting grit, minerals, and a good source of calcium cuttlefish. If they are getting calcium and are still showing signs of a calcium deficiency then they are not  processing the calcium their eating. One of the main reasons for this is a lack of vitamins. I does not matter how much calcium you feed your birds if they do not have the vitamins to process it your wasting your time.