Vitamins!!! Not worth a jot!

[Roland]

Vitamins!!! Not worth a jot!

Save your' money.

     Reading good article, confirming what we all knew, but hope different, and want to follow the masses, it's like the £billion bottle water crap that is just that Crap!

As such also waste of time and money, of course even getting, let alone buying.

Oxford University, for instance, have proved it after a 5-year research with 20,00 people, and suggest that you only buy fruit and vegetables.

Another study funded by the National institute of health in the USA showed that taking Vitamin C or E did now’t. Didn’t reduce the risks of any ailments, let alone prostate cancer. Others studies, of over 35000 men and 15000 women, proved that cancer rates were not any lower.

So if you or your pigeons, are swallowing pills etc. galore save your money! You certainly can’t ignore the evidence; I certain can’t nor will I!

What we all should be doing is NOT popping up and stocking pills, supplements etc. but getting them vital minerals, vitamins etc. through natural sauces. Not only will you, and the birds, benefit, but gain and get the basic needs, but also they contain other goodies, essential and beneficial ingredients etc, that help with vitamin consumption. Plus added Fibre – which in it’s elf helps reduce cholesterol and stimulates bowel activity… reducing again bowel and other disorder and illness, diseases.

P.s. the darker the feed the better! In our’ case blackberries, elderberries etc are real good. Broccoli sprouts are particularly beneficial….

Better to go and get a molehill and place on a board, change it over every other day for the birds…. Etc. etc

 

[Roland]

Some antioxidant supplements are even bad for you!

Research suggests that you could increase the risk of an early death by up to 16% by interfering with the bodies natural defenses!

[Guest strapper]

Vitamins!!! Not worth a jot!

Save your' money.

     Reading good article, confirming what we all knew, but hope different, and want to follow the masses, it's like the £billion bottle water crap that is just that Crap!

As such also waste of time and money, of course even getting, let alone buying.

Oxford University, for instance, have proved it after a 5-year research with 20,00 people, and suggest that you only buy fruit and vegetables.

Another study funded by the National institute of health in the USA showed that taking Vitamin C or E did now’t. Didn’t reduce the risks of any ailments, let alone prostate cancer. Others studies, of over 35000 men and 15000 women, proved that cancer rates were not any lower.

So if you or your pigeons, are swallowing pills etc. galore save your money! You certainly can’t ignore the evidence; I certain can’t nor will I!

What we all should be doing is NOT popping up and stocking pills, supplements etc. but getting them vital minerals, vitamins etc. through natural sauces. Not only will you, and the birds, benefit, but gain and get the basic needs, but also they contain other goodies, essential and beneficial ingredients etc, that help with vitamin consumption. Plus added Fibre – which in it’s elf helps reduce cholesterol and stimulates bowel activity… reducing again bowel and other disorder and illness, diseases.

P.s. the darker the feed the better! In our’ case blackberries, elderberries etc are real good. Broccoli sprouts are particularly beneficial….

Better to go and get a molehill and place on a board, change it over every other day for the birds…. Etc. etc

 

 

well roland m8 ur right about the mole hill ...just look at your birds picking about the garden...they know that they are getting essential minerals out of the soil.

many dont like their birds pecking about the garden but my birds are left to rome all over.

after all its free too!

 

[DeDarren]

I can't see Arsene Wenger (one of the Premier League's biggest advocates of supplemented nutrition) serving out piles of soil to his players somehow, but perhaps that's where he's been going wrong of late??!  ;D

[OLDYELLOW]

i'd strongly disagree with not giving birds vitamins most feeds are lacking vitamins and can differ from crop to crop hence the need to supliment vitamins , now you say 'Blackberrys and Elderberrys in our case ' surely these contain vitamins ? birds forage in the wild and readly eat berry such as hawthorn and elderberys but when there in season and keep themselves right , rember our birds arent wild but still have the same dietry needs and we need to suply them ,  if not more so when we force there migratory instincts to race and the strain this has on them.

[Roland]

Natural ingrediats are essential. So yes, fruit and Veg etc are great sauces. They also benefit by giving the body the whole, and a helping completeness. But to over load, and then it must also be, under provide by taking parts is obviously no good.

  You, when top flyers like Edmunds, etc. etc. say they don't give... or place before them etc. The fancy automatically say 'Ah... but he isn't telling us everything... he's holding back .. But he's not saying...'

The reality is simple, no rocket science needed. Good clean fresh air, PROPERLY circulated and clean blood. So them tubes are not to be clogged up.

Now we - for instance have a machine in our viens. It is turbo changed and is about a 1000th of an inch in size. It constantly goes around and cleans our viens, when it doesn't need cleaning it by passes that vien and goes onto the next one. Likewise all living creatures.

Fry up, greasy food and nicotine etc. keep in in overdrive mode... Lie wise our birds, Stop tampering with their system, we cause more hassle than what is good.

'That bird done well it... Ask your selve a simple question. 'But how much better would it have dne if we hadn't kept buggering it about'!

[OLDYELLOW]

everything in moderation , any vitamins given to pigeons that they cant absorb through the normal process comes out the other end so excessive use will cost the fancier and will empty there pockets quicker  

[Chairman]

Roland if you ate my wife's cooking you'd certainly need vitamins albeit charcoal, everything she touches is burnt I even buy my brews out.

And as for Bowel Activity, well mate I tell you there ain't enough hours in the day, what we save on eating in we spend on toilet paper.

Like her father said at the wedding " I'm so proud of you son, you've done me a big favour".

[pigeonscout]

I have to agree with oldyellow on this one, I can buy a good multi vitamin / minerals for £7 and that does me all year. How much would it cost to buy all these vitamin / minerals in the form of fresh fruit and vegetables? And after buying all the fresh fruit and vegetables my birds would still need vitamin B 12.

[Guest IB]

I feed a supplement, hormoform, daily, so I don't see the need to do a multi-vit on top of that. I also feed fresh greens 2/3 times a week (except during close season) and I would think between these supplements, the birds will get all they need, so I don't see the need to do minerals on top of that.

 

Vitamin B12 is an interesting one, said to come only from animal origin? I know it's in hormoform, but there's evidence from Vegan (vegetarian) website that it is made in the gut by friendly bacteria, which the animal then absorbs. Seems bacteria make other vitamins too, or help in their digestion.

[allenyeates]

We all know about elderberries etc. In fact all parts of the elder (sambcus nigra... spelling?) is very usefull. It is also known as the medicine tree. But what about wild woodpigeons, this time of year they devour huge quantities of ivy berries. What do they get out of them? Does anybody have any info on them? I have not been brave(or foolish) enough to give them to my birds, but the woodie has got to be one of the toughest. Is it in the ivy berries?????

[OLDYELLOW]

i once noticed a yb was looking a bit down and when i let him out he went straight to a hawthorn bush and started eating the berrys so i got my son to pick them and put them in a pot in loft needless to say they eat the lot , obviously the bird was getting what he needed at the time and what nature was providing , i have no idea at ivy berrys but if pigeons eating them then shouldnt do the birds any harm eating them

[blaz]

treat for cocci and canker give 1 bird multi vits and 1 bird fresh water which bird looks more healthy on 3 rd day  the bird that has had the multi vits or the bird with just fresh water ?

[gangster]

i use multi vits and im very happy with them...

[Roland]

Roland if you ate my wife's cooking you'd certainly need vitamins albeit charcoal, everything she touches is burnt I even buy my brews out.

And as for Bowel Activity, well mate I tell you there ain't enough hours in the day, what we save on eating in we spend on toilet paper.

Like her father said at the wedding " I'm so proud of you son, you've done me a big favour".

 

;D ;D ;D

One in a million ... llike mine, won in a raffle lol

[Roland]

Only quoting what the Studies shown. that is well over 70,000 people over 6 years. Now I use to think laying on the floor, or a door cured bad backs...

One has to be realistic here. And see if you Doc prescribes etc.? Or are they available on the NHS?

Further who is making money? Who is advertising etc.

[greenlands]

IB wrote,"Vitamin B12 is an interesting one, said to come only from animal origin? I know it's in hormoform, but there's evidence from Vegan (vegetarian) website that it is made in the gut by friendly bacteria, which the animal then absorbs. Seems bacteria make other vitamins too, or help in their digestion".

Due to an ilness my late mother had she could not eat any sort of fruit or veg.every other week the local nurse would call to inject her with B12 without this she fell seriously ill.

[Silverdale Lofts]

Managed to get a bag of homoform today for £35 was told when new stock comes in going up to £44 also the rohnfried products going up with a bang

[just ask me]

i would have to say vits are good as corn i think dont have everything it used to have a bit like our on foods the veg we eat today dont taste anything like ot used too with mass production and everything else i think food doesent have in it what it used to have so no harm in throwing in extra vits

[The Navigator]

Disagree with this. Vits are needed as corn is not the answer.

[Fair Play]

Don't buy their products they will soon come down as there has to be an alternative on the market. I can remember reading about some of the older fanciers used to make their own vitimin cake "secret ingredients" mix together and bake in the oven cool and feed to the birds.

[Roland]

Was a very good program a few weeks back on What we eat, Channel 4 I believe.

Said the healthiest time of eat - which is now universally agreed on, was the Mid Fifties. just after Rationing.

Also stated, which seems to contradict my heading, but doesn't of course lol

That one apple then was worth 12 of today's! That one orange was worth 15 of today's.

Of course you get the other benefits also like fibre etc.

So why it doesn't contradict the heading is simply that concentrating one fruit has far less... so would have to concentrate 12 - 15 or so... Then the pills would have to be 12 - 15 times bigger lol

[kirky]

Managed to get a bag of homoform today for £35 was told when new stock comes in going up to £44 also the rohnfried products going up with a bang

£28 a bag down here mate,   just looked in book at boddy & ridewood price £44 ill be going back to get another £28 bag tomorrow.

 

[just ask me]

so much for recession  ;D

[jimmy white]

in my opinion there are   times when vitamins are needed,,with pigeons ,,whether their bought or found themselves by the pigeon,,,  but in reading some of the past posts, we are likening pigeons with humans , pigeons are completely different alltogether i,e their metabolism etc ,, as far as humans  go,  i beleive with proper diet, the  purchase of vitamins are useless, but there are cases in humans that lack vitamins through various reasons ,illnesses etc,

 

our pigeons are really forced to do the most un-natural thing in making them fly home from faraway distances , with pigeons returning home with sometimes  than half the weight they go away with, tha tis one of the reasons i beleive in vitamins for pigeons , they need these to build up again,,,different with pigeons un-raced and able to forge,  and find their own vits and minerals which would be quite sufficient for them , they would know what they want and when they want it ,, but pigeons going through un-natural stress i,e racing etc , i beleive will need vits,and minerals   to supplement their diet,  as it is us, the fancier that is depleting the pigeon of vitamins,  in putting these birds through some very difficult and strength sapping times ,, so vits for me in the correct doses