I agree we don't have the visual proof not being raced but in theory the genes should still be there, I'm sticking up for mine now, I've had them since the '70s and I last raced in 1986, the feathering on them is superb, I remember when we first started vaccinating for PMV, my wife, a non-fancier, could pick every Janssen by feather quality, I was holding the bird and she was injecting being the nurse