Ye not bad Lindsay, Think I am the worst with two to come. Uncle Jim had 19/19 in 35mins? Was just sayin to my old boy that when I was young I remeber we sent 18 to Shap(same distance as today) and we had the 18 in the two massive batches that entered the village!!!!! You just dont get that now??? I have a 2yr old cock that has been to the coast and a yearling hen that has had 4 races as a baby. Bye the way there are LOTS of pigeons sitting about the roofs of Ecclefechan looking rather sorry for themselves!!!