Birds used to keep coming for days and weeks in times past, but it doesn't seem to happen now. I appreciate there are denser populations of peregrines now, but if the birds have been fed to return, but only just, then if they hit problems they are finished. They just don't have the energy to rise again, if they haven't already flown themselves to death. It is supremely difficult here in the west, except for fanciers of Derek Hay's calibre, so for me as a beginner it is slowly slowly catchee monkey. Rab, STB, would say all my pigeons are monkeys right enough. :emoticon-0140-rofl: