Roland

Was a time when it was allegded a Garage Door on remote caused a ET Clock to gain or lose a minute via clicking up or down ... I personally don't believe that. Sure there was and were no doubt teething problems, but I reckon mostly they are about fool prove. Yes if quick a slight of hand worked (works) and dead birds have won in that scenario.... but that is long gone, and again that is down to the Marking station to get that right.

Lourth eh! And they class them as a 'Long Distance bird when winning either the Section and / or tHitting Lincoln 3-20, onwards, Ray Johnson NR Louth Lerwick winner 3-31, Wright & Sweeney 3-30 3-34 and more , he National. Guess all round Lincoln would be a decent Location.

An aivery with nest boxes, or rabit hutches with an enclesed nest box where the wind blows through. I believe Kieth Mott does this with sucess. If fact there is a photo of his or someones about, will look, but have no doubt some on here will know the site. The best of everything to you, whatever you decide.

Well I can't see that gal, but who knows...

If you could get your birds to break and come inland at Grimsby / Humber bridge you'll do blumming well, marvellous in fact! Good luck.

Yorkshire ... East coast now, they will be flying out over the coast line, Even out at sea a mite, regardless of the East Coast boys saying 'Our birds always come out of the West' lol...

Ed Bourque that is the beauty of hopper feeding they won't get overwieght, they won't over eat and use that give of natural that looks after their welfare. 17% protien, no more needed, is mostly about right.

Minden eh ... my Father - in - law was a RSM there in the late sixties to mid seventies.

If not money, decent friends, and if you start doing well they quickly dry up and a batcth of excuses of why they can't is the only help your get. See many, indeed too many pack up racing partly for this reason. Which brings back the very esence of what one often hears. 'You'll have to train / work harder to compete with the .... Does this mean that a penniless stockman is going to A. Beat a equeally good stockman that has a few bob? or that that stockman does work his socks of and spend time and effort to compete at the highest level. To believe that is rather silly to say the least. Of course he does. But wind and location are an even bigger asset to those that have been and are able to move - like so very many - to prime locations. Mind we can all live with that... but the bigger picture is that many the 'Haves' and their cliques still want every and all lea way their can muster, and when it is pointed out you are a whinger and a moaner, for speaking the truth! Like me I whinged for England according to a certain sauce.... For stating that I wish to, and believe it only fair to be hadicapped for using the decisive more beneficial ET than those not - for any reason - aren't able! Strange I have ben the only one so far ever in this so - called sport that agree with that. But then I am a fair minded and decent sportsman.

Thanks Mick, in a nut shell what I have been spouting for the last 8 months. So no politician is going to stick hois neck out, and that can be taken to the bank. Ps. That or similar, has been put up many time to no avail.

Personally, I liked the East Route when we again flew it ... through Foot and Mouth. Off course the wind didn't suit certain locations of a certain few and their locations.BHW was bombarded with the still wet soggy letters from those that believe it was / in their right to have their' cake and eat others. Germany, Russia even lol. A thousand miler to Moscow eh! Now that would be something, but of course wil never happen. Wondering though - in light of the recent outbreaks in Germany of Avian Flu their thinking and if they have any restrictions imposed. Would appear they haven't then, which is good and sensible.

Have even banded an Euro MP whose father was a well known fancier, and asking he if could help in any way that he would be only too pleased to do so ... I was the ONLY person that put any houghts and ideas to hoim. So Though Expat! I in retrospect I take back my last post and see it being made tongue in cheek and have recieved that as such. Soss

why the hell that should make me happy only a mind like yours Expat! could figure ... Personally I am all in favour of Distance racing and from any direction. Indeed NO ONE slogged harder than me to keep it going last season's close! And I went and see, contacted more... still that will be just more spillage on clothe ears...!

Exactly.... to bolster the East coast clubs coffers ... or those above around Nottingham .... Lourth eh! And they class them as a 'Long Distance bird when winning either the Section and / or the National. Guess all round Lincoln would be a decent Location. But you may have a good bird.... you've done you wing, whim and a prayer, let's hope your 'Hopes' pay off. Mind I'm sorry to say my money won't be on you...

Lol

Well I can't for the life of me believe for a moment that Andy would be intentionally not allowed access. Time that was put right if that is indeed the case.

Expat! what you say in '... I said if Defra Pass it that pigeons can continue to race over in france, Then the BICC does not require any permits fron Spain to race in the International Races, and this is correct, unless you know something about the organisations over here that i do not' That is true, of course it is, and if the Bull had had udders we'd milk it! BUT DAFRA have said no.... end of story, and you can write, email till your blue in the face, but until they release their stance we aren't going nowhere. And as soon as ANY body / concern has new data that may put Avian Flu in a different picture or light regarding pigeons then DAFRA and Peter Bryant will know within a very short space of time in deed.

Bruno that be as it may, but DAFRA have to consider two things, one the threat, real or imaginary ad act accordingly. Secondarily, the public opinion and their’ votes. Either way, regardless of he rot Expat! spukes out, NO party can over ride DAFRA, they are the voice of parliament in this regards. Now whether we agree, or not is another matter, but BICC or any international party or government can over turn, or even side step DAFRA. To speak as Expat1 does is ludicrous to say the least. Further Peter Bryant has ALL the facts, relevant or not, and must play the cards dealt as he sees fit. I have umpteen letters etc. from MP.s and EMP's as you and many more may recall, and lets face the facts, what DAFRA says goes... or don't. Golly we’ll have Crufts telling the MOD where to send the planes next lol.

The flyers have to be up to the plate and on the ball to win that. great ...

The European Parliment states quite clearly that any and every member has the right to protect their shores / borders any way and as they see fit. Hence DAFRA as this goverment's legal bodies has far over reaching powers than club / coher country or concerns, that should be quite simply to relate to and understand. If every market member flies willy nilly but DAFRA say no to us, then to put it simply 'Then it's No'. We, the RPRA has no redress, nor any valid clause, channel other than to apply. That is simple reality. I would also say that Peter has his lines open to sauces all over the world in the regards of Avian Flu, it's merits and myths and personally believe hehas done a first class job. No one or concern would have, or could hae done better or more.

But what has come out of this is he very simple face that those who will have it say that it is their legal right and imply, hope that that is the end all and be all. What the fail to grasp is that both sides of the coin have an ligit argument. And Mick what the RPRA did was Fals and illegal. Not what clubs / Feds are proposing. As for me, being a fair mind and honest chappie, I will be only too pleased to give any and every manual clocker 15 seconds or so, and wouldn't regard that as an Handicap at all! Agree Sapper ... just to finish on who ever said that '.... that Organisations were imposing illegal time penalties.' as Mick implies. Surely that is another democratic choice that members are allowed to put into place! Personally I can't stir this pot any more, so will be out seeking a not pot I guess ...

How can it be a free choice when a large % can't have it, whether through the loft location or because they can't afford it! Freedom of choice has never ben a item or a pratice in this country and any quick dabble in history will prove that. Why history shows only too well that we are a nation of acceptors and have a ingrained belief their are and is and always will be a law for one and a law for another. tThe haves and Have not' and the Have can because it is their right! Look at our colonies and history, and at our own back door, so just where and better still when is this this freedom suppose to conmence, or did we all miss it waiting to our birds in! Freedom of Speech, go and ge on a soap box and be took notice of.... media soon wipe that notion off any ones face. We are go.... never mind I take it that it is just another silly saying that people report because they have heard it so often before and just don't understand there is no justifacation in it whatsoever... why I doubt sincerely Expat1 that you in reality haven't the foggiest notion of what you have spelt out and actually stated!

Like I say, that is far far bigger birdage than 90% of our so called Nationals.

. Well silly petty cracks like that are just what has and does lets this hobby down so badly. Don't get your own way you resort to childish and pathetic crap. Of course things need to improve, or progress no one has ever raised a point against that … but at what cost?! I know, it don't matter a long as you get your own way. Progress! Just look at the atrocities laid at that door, Living in the world of dot next.... where rape and perverts were sorted, and thadmidalide babies, at what cost, and just what makes one think that because it suits them it MUST be better for all! Could list a 100 easy, of so call progress that has cost million dear, but then that would go by your heads too. No one is against ET's it is about time that many were mindful of the costs that may well follow. And of course 'If they were packing up they would anyway, so they blame the ET's' crap. Thousands are packing up and thousands have, and why, for two main reason, they voices are ridiculed when not ignored, and far too many keep give too much to too few! But then again it is progress this 'Bugger you Jack I'm alright' eh! If you want ET fine, just get on and have it.... But stop bleating about it, or is that over a guilty conscious.... Yep I guess so.... except those that genuinely couldn't give a rat’s *expletive removed*