Roland

Well, beat your selve up if you so wish :-/ Many have / do, as I have several times and all has been roses in the garden. Don't think you was out of order at all personally. Gosh seen them released with no chance to home in torential rain.... for the hard distances etc. Fellow says, 'They have to learn to keep going down, dry out and continue to strive home'. Anothet great distance man I know, and a few more, leave them just enough time to home.... Theory 'Will fly out to last light when no other day birds about, these will be' You know what, ALL them scenario's paid / pay handsome dividends for them flyers :-/ Me Morning fog, as long as they get above it, of they go! Etc. etc. Mind I know how sick you feel wit the 'If only ........' split milk syndrome. Good luck.

Before voicing an oppinion, I'd like to know the oficial reason for such. Example WHY is it convientent for the birds to be shipped Thursday? Must be a reason. Personally I'd feel my birds would be far better suited for this - Natural! But the simple reality is, IF your Fed could get them - and is able to take for Basketing Friday with the others it may well be the case of it being in place all ready. Let's face it, it is just a matter of 'Checked and Seal' baskets being lifted onto the convoyer :-/ Has your Fed made this this own thing in the past because it suited the FED as a whole? :-/

Agree that they are a class above.... But to say that they haven't been at the best is rubbish. Outside of Duncan Edwards Munich side, they are the best and now the strongest squad ever. Have no time for them personally, divers, cheats and sulkers, which again they are past masters at, and again simpley in that field 3 classes above the rest. True the refs have to be season holders to be allowed to referee them, and that's for sure. But are away and above any other side.

Hi John It goes to show that people have very different success with many different lines and families, the main thing is to find the birds that suit you. On the whole Gaby pigeons havnt been successful in the West Country, maybe as they have to fly against the wind every week (only a guess) yet they have done some real damage in the South East. I make the wind comment as i know they didnt excel in the West Midlands too but i have noticed they have done really well up the east side. Stu Well Swilcox, would say the first part is correct in principle, but the other way round :-/. Moreso, I believe, once you've set your system the birds that find they like it, that it suit them will do well. Wind, well no creature realy has any time for the wind I fear .... though a little headwind / breeze on a hottish day would be a boon I guess.

I remember a mate, who used to work on the Gas / Oil Rigs installation. Said that they had to know pretty much definate just what, why and how the weather was going to be. Said that they used - like our Fed did too at one time, but members complained of costs when there was all the othersfreebie's about - Any way he said that they were acruate to the minute or so. And used to relay what the read out use o be. Pretty impressive. Don't know whether they still do it. Asked regards our Fed using them again, and the moan went up about cost... I honestly don't think it was too dear... but I suppose against nowt it is.... But the phone calls up and down the line of flight, and adjacent line, must cost money eh! :-/

Must admit again, I seem hawk free luckily. Had two nesting each side of my loft, but haven't seen them of late... Some one must love me.... Probably me loving myself lol ;) :P ;D ;D ;D

Very Very true Les. The noses drop like flies when asked.... and the RSPB have weaved a very intricate story and well bedded in. But if the sport did get off it's *expletive removed*, and did fight back with a three prong attack, and in cahoots with orther concerned bodies, it would be a start. Now I for one am fed up, as must be Les and a few more, to hear the whinging and bleating every day now it seems. I think I will post back a reply to each and every one asking 'Just what are you prepared to do then'!!! :-/ :-/ Not what you think others should do, but WHAT are YOU prepared to do' Whinge' well that hasn't got the vast majority anywhere yet so WHY DO you THINK it will be diffent with you whinging'? :-/ :-/ :o In fact with copy that, and paste it up every time some one whinges!

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Like your use of the 'Clever' PR work.... something I'm been beating the drum to no avail for a decade and more. RPRA, Like I say, the RPRA daren't contrive to use a £1 of each members money to get this up and running.... the members believe - in general - that the Rich and Able should be only to willing to do it for them. That would mean giving up valuable time running a buisness, and using / paying people that work for them, or to pay people to do it.... and expect a fluent 'Mouth piece' to boot to deal with the general public. Yet every turn we are thawted by PR firms employed by the RSPB. :-/ :-/ Simply put, a £1 a year is too dear a cost to help their pigeons not being eaten alive by BOP. :-/ :-/ Explain someone, any one, how it can be different!!! :o Obvious that isn't it. Use to be rife 'Well I would personally .... but you know the other won't.... and that meant No one does etc. a very few of us! Would I pay a £1 a year to save our pigeons from being eaten a live by BOP .... Answer, No, we will moan and whinge till someone else does... or till I pack up is the answer P.s. and don't you dare spend a £1 for a PR firm to help out!!! And PPS stuff them and the think tank, and their POLITICAL corridors, and links with the media.... Gret someone else to do it... anyone bar me.... and my £1 :o Where am i wrong?

Sorry Shaddow, just Not true! Cat are, and can be held responcible, and owners liable for any property / creatures etc. they harm or kill. Been done times. Further it is a myth that Cats have the right to roam' it just isn't so. Now if a cat kills a pigeon, proof may be awkward to prove. DNA etc costs a lot. Blood samples a lot less. But several sucessful prosecutions have taken place.

If you go to the doctors, and then take no notice of his advice and treatment, most would say you are .... Lets say foolhardy at least and may well wonder just why you went to him in the first place :-/ :-/ Likewise the vets' let him do his job.... JMO

Yes and too many others also ... it is strife that deceit.

True Vallence.... but was just an example really. Did hear of a fellow that actualy moved to the West, about 12 miles and started doing extremely well, where as before was just average .... Mind he then became the Farthest flyer in the EAST of another Fed :-/ ;D ;D ;D

Well, have to agree with most of the above. Location, location, location!!! Simple as that. Is the reason why so many 'Famed Flyers' moved to their location! Simple that, even I can understand - as I was told repeatedly by a great renowned flyer - 'If two birds come together, the loft in the East wins'! Simple eh! Never sen yet a fancier move to the West of existing loft and better himself and that's for sure, seen many midioca to fair flyers move to the East and become famed flyers. Just look at the 'Nmames' that have bought their site, from Old Leak Fishtoft, to Skegness Louth etc. Remember Leo sash, was a POW and settled here, Was a photograther, and bought a Fish and Chip shop. Had the odd win in 20 years.... Retiered to Skegness. Even he was amazed at his wins. Said did less, but .... flew a great pigeon! Look at the ones, who were nowt, bout first curve up the Valley, became names, as Logically heis birds only had to be near the leading flock and trap! Knew he'd won!

Yep 100% right! Gosh we don't even know how they home, so how can we teach them anything? Training is for fitness and condition ... Breaking points and Line of flights for the fancier!

Good post Schouwman71, very informative and from personal expierence.

Not if the cats are deaf, or real determine.... be better of pay £50 for an electric fence I reckon.

Sorry meant to say, 'Hatton Doesn't fight again'! No need too. And he wore his heart on his sleeve, and made very many happy.... earn a well deserved retirement, because let's face it 'HE came to fight!

Yep.... BUT well managed. Has earnt a fortune, and never - even now - fought a lad at the top of the pile. Manny is really only a 7 and half stone ring wet, that has put wieght on over many years That 4 stones in reality over his prime fighting wieght! :-/ But now with 30 odd milion in he bank, one must see why it pays to duck and dive, and MAKE money, be looked after and HAVE the media hype. Unlike the 'Bad old days' when many thatwere too good got squeezed out eh! :-/ :-/ But like the minters, Floyd Patterson, who's pride - to just name 2 of dozens - made them fight boys too good.... Yes! BUT one has to feel for the genuine GOOD world class fighters they won't fight surely! :-/ Like Hatton ducking - sorry running - from Junior Wtter etc. and Joe from countless ones too... Yes they have GOOD reputations, will go on to earn great salaries - deservedly so - as Guests of honour, media spots etc. etc. and go down as 'Greats'. I hope Hatton does fight again, only reason now would be pride! Like Witter now, if won he'd get a great pay day! If he lost, a great pay day and the legacy of of people say 'Ah, but in his prime....1 ;) In his prime he wouldn't, not only him, but many more. Yes just who can fault the management? No one!

Yep, I also thought also, that the quality of birds offered were very good indeed. Well done Colin.

Well after a disagreement and me telling the one in charge what I thought of him.... he left my Website in limbo and I was unable over the last few months to get this site up and running. Now that I don't care, or realistically need it, he has put it back up lol http://www.rosscoleyevents.co.uk/ For any interested.

MickB, Bigda is just being Bigda.... :-/ :-/ :o As must of his posts, indeed the vast majority are in the same vein! :-/ Most of us just take him as 'Being There' meaning no harm, just 'Being Him' eh! l ;D ;D

Well I can't see in hind sight and reality that one can see if it is NOT having an effect! Only if numbers are falling that it at least MIGHT be having an effect. So what I will do - as Ivermectin in any shape or form in your scenario would have a benefifial affect then for BOP - stop spout that it it does, but not that it doesn' do what it says, I.e. clears worms etc. But soon, very soon, the sooner the better, we / I / us must start a thread where we actually get on with a 'Fund, a fighting campaigne that WILL do as all some good regards our pigeons. We must act quickly and unpreturb knowing ful well that the RSPB will be watching and cutting our strings, whilst pulling a few of their own!

no sort of ivermectin has any adverse affects on hawks i will say it again roland i have seen bops handlers using ivermectin pour on on dead chicks and giving them to all kinds of hawks i have asked u before to provide any evidence on how this works and to date u have come up with noting buy useing ivermectin pour on u are actually worming the birds of prey im sure if there was any thruth too this claim there would be lots of info on the net on how and why it works but too date i have seen noting all i have seen is bops handlers using this product for the benefit of these hawks falcons and so on so really buy telling people to use this product u are doing yourself no favour or the pigeon fancy in generall no favours what so ever there are other products that bops don't like the taste of if u get my meaning but belive me ivermectin only benefits bop OK, niether have you shown any proof it doesn't. Only repeating some that have - seemingly in this scenario - to have, and be having sucess. However, if it just does what it is suppose to regards Worms etc. etc. then that is a bonus and no harrm done eh!