blaz

what a rip off it is a sham

i will let all know as i will let them that gave birds to this sale know that the buyer of their birds has paid . i will also get something in one or two papers thanking all at pigeon basics.we might get another few members who knows thanks garyc BLAZ

if i have not sent you a PM with detials of how to pay for the bird or birds you have bidded on in the W PRYDE AND SON SALE sorry for a start can anyone i have missed PLEASE PM ME THANKS YOU VERY MUCH ps i have no doubt missed someone pm blaz pm blaz

yes it should my mistake plus lot 53 via phone £35 alan power both the bids are on main sale board . cant get it all right but doing my best

plus i have 3 donations of £50 each

now it is a lot of paper work does any one know a good secretary.all said and done it will be wort it when i hand them the checks and postal orders.

MISTAKE LOT 17 AMIE £40

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 1 Offered by Harky Stock Pair Grizzle Cock bought at Jaap Van Alphen sale believed to be Tournier. White Grizzle Hen Janssen bred by D & L Brookes & Son from the dam of my one loft race winner when crossed with a Camiel Cardon (White panter lines) This Pair have bred me winners from the off, look at Lanarkshire Fed results 2nd & 3rd Race 2009 the winners both nestmates - 2 x blacks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 2 Offered by Red Rocket 2 x 2010 Yb's - Vandenabeelee's from the stock loft ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 3 Offered by Whitenight 6 x 2010 YB's - Family selection to be Whitenight's choice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 4 Offered by Black WF 2 x 2010 Yb's - Buyer can choose from my sprint, md or long distance families ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 5 Offered by Pigeon Pete 2 x 2010 Yb's - Buyers choice from families including Roland Janssen's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 6 Offered by Southern & Mason 2 x 2010 Yb's - Bred from the stock loft - Staf Van Reet, Buscharrt, Van Loon or Janssen - Buyers choice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 7 Offered by Blue Chequer Pied 2x 2010 Yb's - Buyers choice of family ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 8 Offered by Strapper - Paul H 1 x 2009 Latebred - Frank Tasker family ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 9 Offered by Tony C 2 x 2010 Gaby's - From the stock loft - 21 x 1st bred from my stock in the last 3 years. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 10 Offered by Rab Hally 2 x 2010 Yb's - Old Family Buscharrts - Rab topped the Midlothian Fed at least 3 times in 2009, plus many more Fed positions won the club more times than i wish to count (clubmate) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 11 Offered by Maddog 2 x 2010 Yb's - Pure Sootjen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 12 Offered by J.Bell 2 x 2010 Yb's - Sootjens - Stock bought in from Frank Sheader ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 13 Offered by Blaz (Gary Cairns) 2 x 2010 Yb's - Middle to Distance both bred from birds with club, fed and inland National tickets. One of the yb,s will be bred this way from stock cock he has bred a 1st fed maidstone 300 plus mile plus alot more winners his sire 60th open snfc sartilly 91 25th open snfc nantes 92 2nd open 1stsec snfc nantes. His dame 8th open snfc rennes 60th open snfc sartilly both winning over £5000 each hen 9th open snfc eastbourne topping midlothian fed by 40 min plus 09. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 14 Offered by Frank Mitchell 2 x 2010 Yb's - Grandchildren of Jock Trail 1st Open Nantes, 1st Open Niort - Hen bred the late Dale Newcombe. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 15 Offered by Rab Ritchie 2 x 201 Yb's - these 2 yb,s are distance birds rab scores well at snfc level his birds still win from shorter races including topping midlothian fed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 16 Offered by Vallance Lofts 2 x 2010 Yb's - Buyer can choose from the following families - Linderauf, De Dobbelaer, Jan Theelen, Maurice Delbar, Marcelis, Van Driessche,Van Der Merwe, Russ Skinner National winning family, Didier Desmet (George Carteus Distance family). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 17 Offered by Eggy Jamieson 1 x 2009 Latebred - [nest mate to lot 36. The Cock belongs to Kieran Jamieson-McDermott The Hen belongs to Eggy Jamieson. Hence the reason they are in the sale from 2 Different Owners.] Cock - Bred by Dennis Ford of Blanaevon the Sire having 2nd 4th and 10th National Diplomas. The Dam having 3rd National and 11th National. Plus numerous Club and Fed Positions between them. Hen Bred by Mr & Mrs Faucon the Sire winning 1st BICC Barcelona and the Dam being a Van Wanroy. Please note that Lot 17 is rung with an 07 Ring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 18 Offered by Paul Delea 1 x 2010 Yb - Paul has won Barcelona twice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 19 Offered by Fedtopper (Gav) 6 x 2010 Yb's including - Sprint = 2 x Roland Janssens Middle Distance = Super sonic Sootjen's imported from Belgium Long Distance = Bred down from Kardale Regata from the lofts of Karen & Dale Newcombe All 3 pairs are breeding winners. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 20 Offered by PJC 2 x 2010 Yb's - Buyers choice of Stamvater Janssens, Delbars, Kevin Roosens ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 21 Offered by Mac1 6 x 2010 Yb's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 22 Offered by Welsh Wizard 2 x 2010 Yb's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 23 Offered by Gary Michael 2 x 2010 Yb's - Bred via Jimmy White - bred from birds that scored in the 2009 SNFC Yb National ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 24 Offered by Spider Mr Rowly 2x 2010 yb,s jan aardens off john duke lines breeder spider mr rowly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 25 Offered by Joe & Elaine Smith 2 x 2010 Yb's -Staf Van Reet's - Toey record, roger lines. This mardon family have helped me breed many club & fed winners over the years,2008 season 15 firsts including 3 fed. wins.2009 season 20 firsts including 6 fed.wins plus 2 firsts amalgamations from scotch corner 221 miles. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 26 Offered by Ashley Feddas 2 x 2010 Yb's - Starview Buscharrts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 27 Offered by Dennis Grant 1 x 2010 Yb - Frank Tasker Filmstar lines ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 28 Offered by Gareth Rankin 1 x 2010 Yb - Distance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 29 Offered by Jimmy Bamling 1 x Wildermeesh Cock - Bred from a Proven pair of Wooff Brothers pigeons g/sire has bred over 40 x 1sts inc 5 x 1st fed also g/sire to 1st Combine or 1 x 2008 latebred cock Soontjen x Willy Thas sameway bred as a hen i gave Mac1 which bred a 1st federation also related to my 1st Combine Winner 09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 30 Offered by Aye Ready (Martin) 2 x 2010 Yb's - Walter Docx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 31 Offered by Andrew Agnews 2 x 2010 Yb's - Middle to Distance blood ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 32 Offered by Lenwade Bob 2 x 2010 Yb's Wim Moens - Sprint family ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 33 Offered by Chrisss 2 x 2010 Yb's - Buyers choice of Geoof Kirkland, Frank Tasker or Buscharrts via Jimmy Bamling. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 34 Offered by Taylors Loft 2 x 2010 Yb's - Buyers choice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 35 Offered by Chickadee 2 x 2010 Yb's - White Buscharrts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 36 Offered by Young Kieron Jamieson 1 x 2009 Latebred - [Nest mate to lot 17. The Cock belongs to Kieran Jamieson-McDermott. The Hen belongs to Eggy Jamieson. Hence the reason they are in the sale from 2 Different Owners.] Cock - Bred by Dennis Ford of Blanaevon the Sire having 2nd 4th and 10th National Diplomas. The Dam having 3rd National and 11th National. Plus numerous Club and Fed Positions between them. Hen Bred by Mr & Mrs Faucon the Sire winning 1st BICC Barcelona and the Dam being a Van Wanroy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 37 Offered by Dooboy (Jamie) 1 x 2009 Latebred - Dam has won money at RPRA One Loft Race - Cock has bred winners in club and birds to score at Fed level ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot 38 Offered by Willie & Brian Massey 1 x 2010 Yb Sire - SU09ML4594 - My good yearling cock a winner of 3 x 1st club also 29th pentland yearling race newark 216mls, 31st midlothian open newark winning £270 open and club pools 3rd fed newbury 320mls again taking all club pools and then 50th midlothian fed open eastbourne 380 mls.he was bred by j howman from cheshire of the sire of the 2003 bejing winner x m sangers hen. Dam - 1/2 sister to the above pigeon same sire but the dam is black gold the sw 1 loft winner 2006, and this hen won 2 firsts as a y/b for me and then put to stock ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lot 39 6 yb 2010 all birds bred from 1st fed winning birds both parents including 1st midlothian fed yb national. parents of yb,s have topped midlotian fed from 68mile to 502 mile. bred by wright and blackhurst. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 40 2 yb 2010 soonjen x willy tas from stock loft birds from this loft are in pentland fed weekly and have topped pentland fed. bred by s girwood. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 41 2x 2010 yb middel to distance good flyer both in fed and snfc breeder jackie blackhurst ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 42 2x 2010 bred from my top racing cock now stock he won 3 races in the space of 6 weeks all over 250 mile 1st fed 3rd fed dame won falaise twice 16th open bicc falaise. breeder marmite. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 43 2x 2010 yb buyers choice of bussharte svr delbar of pure white logans. breeder gooner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 44 2 x 2010 yb,s dordins of tommy sherlicker breeder spider ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lot 45 1 latebred cock sire son of invincible spirit bought from louella dame daughter of geoff and cathrine coopers farm boy breeder airborne 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 46 2x2010 ybs jos thones breeder blyth 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lot 47 latebred hen sire son of tom mcewan,s petite rose 1st open toures flying 611 mile dame is a daughter of kardale style snfc gold award winner. breeder is airborne 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lot 48 2x 2010 yb,s w gray and son this partnership has won shu one loft race and the emerald clasic one loft race ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 49 a pair of ian axe bought at blackpool last year price £200 birds come with original pedigrees and are 2008 birds . donated by billy mclaren. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 50 1x2010 yb bred the same way as 2nd open andrezel scored 3 times from alancon bred by A and J Pringle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 51 1 x yb 2010 from the lofts of andy miller andy is a top flyer and has had very good results fed and SNFC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 52 1 late bred 2009 bred for stock for themselves ready now bred by w kinner and son twice national winners plus many more birds on s.n.f.c. results. sire scored 4 times snfc and is a silver award winner dame daughter of the class cock old reekie. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lot 53 1x 2009 late bred of multi fed winning birds osman logan barker bred by jas pryde ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lot 54 2x 2010 yb both sire and dame 1st fed winners bred by s lapinski. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

lot 1 the higg £70 lot2 frank 123£30 lot3 BUTCHER £160 lot4 BLACK WF £30 lot5 via pm £20 lot6 beanz £20 lot7 DINRAISER£35 lot8 via pm £20 lot9 via pm £70 lot 10 via pm £45 lot11 fuddly £40 lot 12 fuddly£30 lot13 VIA PM £55 lot14 DUNCAN DOO £110 lot 15 blue 1 £20 lot16 tony 123 £45 lot17KYLEAKIN LOFTS £75 lot18 nagid £70 lot19 fuddly £105 lot20gooner £20 lot 21 AMIE £80 lot22via pm £11 lot23 oscar £25 lot24 jimbhoy £45 lot25 lewis £50 lot26 GOONER £15 lot27ALAN POWER £35 lot28 king billy £100 lot29STEVIEB £45 lot30via pm ££25 lot31 CLOCKMAN £35 lot32 vinnie £30 lot33 grizzel£15 lot34 via pm £20 lot35 jimboy29£40 lot36amie£45 lot37via pm £10 lot38 VIA PM £25 lot39 BUTCHER £160 lot40 john milne £100 lot41via pm £20 lot42 ALAN POWER £ 30 lot43 VIA PM £30 lot44 the doo£50 lot45 £65 lot46 jas £50 lot47graham mitchell £70 lot48CLOCKMAN £40 lot49 ALAN POWER £50 lot50PEGO £45 lot51 budgie £50 lot 52budgie £145 lot53 frank 123 £30 lot 54 BLUE 1£45

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HOPE THIS HELPS SOME OF YOU Trichomoniasis is an infrctious protozoal disease of many species of birds with a special prevalence for doves and pigeons. It is caused by a unicelluar flagellate, Trichomonas columbae, has a world-wide distribution and is familular to all fanciers who have been in the sport for some time. Significant in the racing of pigeons, it presents as an acute disease with a high mortality amoungst younger stock or as an erosion disease with a chronic course, in older racers. Etiology Canker in pigeons i cause by an infection with Trichomonas cilumbae, a motile protozoal organism with four flagellae at the anterior end, which give the organism motility and enhance it's microscopic visibility. Trichomonas occur in and is pathogenic to many animal species, in particular the doves, falcons and hawks. (Raptors become infected after feeding on infected pidgeons and odves). Other relatives of the parasite are found naturally in many species of birds (ducks, turkeys, owls, hawks, grouse, coots, cormorants etc), without apparent harm to the host. Pathogenic species e.g. T. foetus and T. vaginalis inhavit the general tract of bovine and primate speices and can be difficult to eradicate. According to Whitney, Five strains of the parasite have been ifentified in pigeons, with three occuring to any great extent. We see three distinct forms of the disease but whether these are caused by different individual strains, has yet to be determined. Epidemiology It appears as if pigeons are natural hosts to trichomonas with almost every pigeon hosting the organism in the crop and gulley. Premunity exisits in adult birds but its duration and effectivness is stress-related. Transmission of the disease occurs when pigeon are billing and feeding young. Stabler demonstrated that newly-hatches squabs are infected at their first feed. Drinking from a communal water bowl spreads the infection between adult birds in the loft. The disease is more prevalent during the summer months and we see a marked reduction in the inceidence of acute cases in winter. This is probably related to better survival of the organism outside the body of its host when outside tempretures are closer to normal body temprature. At temperatures of 25c and above, moist grains have maintained viable T.gallinae for atleast 13 days. Trichomonas will survive for one whole day in water at 25c Clinical Signs and Pathogenesis Signs of infection appear a week after introduction of the organism. One of three forms can occur. 1. Classical (acute) form. This form of the disease usually occurs in youngsters, from babies in the nest until 2-3 months after weaning. The birds are obviously sick, with ruffled feathers, loose watery droppings, loss of weight, excessive thirst and decreased appetite. They are apathetic, lose interest in their surroundings and may be picked up without moving. When this stage is reached mortalities must be expected. Such babies probably never would have developed into strong racers should they have survived and it is better to cull them at this stage Symptoms Upon examination the bird will usualy have yellow cheesy growths in the throat, adherent to the muscosa. Many stages of severity occur. We see one or two match-head size lesions, indicating a more resistant bird to one with large cheesy lumps, nearly filliwing the throat and mouth and hindering eatting. The growths may encroach upon the epiglottis, causing respiratory distress. From the throat, infection may spill over into the upper airways and spread to the internal organs, especially the liver and heart. A less prevalent form occurs in nestlings where the navel is affected. infection spreads rapidly from the enlarged navel area to the abdomen and the liver. The abdomen appears pendulous, swollen and soft and the baby rapidly loses weight and dies. Severe liver damage occurs and though treatment might save it's life, a healthy robust bird cannot be produced; culling is preferable. 2. Obstructive Form. I have categorized this form only because the predilection site of the parasite leads to a distinct disease syndrome. It is probably caused by a sigular strain of T. columbae, not occuring commonly. The morbidity in a flock is high, in the region of 60 to 70 percent, with a 100 percent mortality. Symptoms. Birds of all ages affected, even though they are initially in good conditionand the occurrence of outbreaks is not related to stress levels. Initially, the pigeons appearto eat and drink normally but gradually lose condition. Some birds may vomit. At a more advanced stage, the pigeons are unable to swallow their food, stand very upright with heads high, necks stretched and make repeated efforts at swallowing. (Their posture has been likened to that of a penguin). Their crops are full of water but the pigeons gradually become more and more dehydrated. lose weight and die. Numerous trichomonads are seen on microscopic examination of a throat swab. Autopsy The typical yellow caseous lesions of trichomoniasis are found in the short area of distal oesophagus, between the crop and the proventriculus. This section lies in the throat inlet, which is narrow and serves as entrance for the gullet and trachea to the inside of the body. The organisms attack the oesphaageal epithelium here and produce the typical cheesy growths which enlrage, invade the surrounding tissues and occlude the thoracic inlet. Total obstruction to the passage of food and water follows, with stravation, dehydration and death. Usually no other signs of trichomoniasis are seen. In a few cases the pressur is more sever on the trachea causing marked respitatory distress with a drooping tail, heaving sternum and open mouth breathing. Death quickly ensues. Similar invasive yellow grothers have been seen in the throat, mouth area (palate, side of the mouth etc) and sinuses, causing the deaths of large numbers of free-living wild doves. It is a highly contagious, fatal infection and its locality is very specific, not occuring elsewhere in the body. More recently a similar infection appearing in adult racing pigeons but in sporadic instances. It is thought that a specific strain is responsible for the symptoms. 3. Subclinical form. All the bird that are carried of trichomonads and are not showing signs of the disease, are grouped here. They have had the disease clinically and revovered or may never have shown a sign of ill health. (it is contentious whether they ought to be known as carriers of the infection or as birds with a premunity. They are not carriers in the sense that we normally undertsnad the term.) i do not believe as a truly symbiotic relationship can exisit between a racing pigeon and trichomonad parasites. For a pigeon to be able to perform regulart at it's best, it must have NO parasites. Health alone is not sufficient - it must posses super health. Any evidence of meaningful numbers of trichomonads found in the throat of a pigeon involved in racing, is detrimental to its chance of being successful. Within the concept of subclinical infection many stages are seen. The most severe usually have one of two yellow lesions in the back of the throat, but show no sign of ill-health. Others may demonstrate numerous white spots, pinhead in size, on the curtain in the back of the throat. These spots are of no consequence at this stage as they are possibly healed, calcified lesions of a previous attack of canker. (There is still some doubt as to etiology of these spots; signs of herpesvirus infection, abscesses caused by E. coli, calcoliths in salivary glands etc., have all been popular as cayses.) The spots are seen most often in yearling pigeons and generally diappear after a few month. If the bird no longer harbous trichomonas the spots, which do not respond to treatment, do not interfere with racing. Some birds have lost a section of the curtain from a previous epsode of crop canker. This will not affect their racing provided there are no active trichomonads The largest group of birds are those that have never shown any obvious sign of infection, yet upon microscopic examination are found to harbour many organisms. These are the carried, Regarded as healthy by many fanciers but who consist of the real problem, by reducing the performance of a race team and being a constant source of weak and sickly babies in a breeding loft. At best they reproduce the carrier state in their offspring, who perpetuate their poor racing performance. Any 'Better' breeding stock, introduced from another loft, is soon reduced to the standard of the old stock as infection spreads and their offspring sugger the same fate as that of their predecessors. Virulence and Immunity. At present there is no explination for the divergence of virulces seen in the various strains of T.columbae. Neither are there satisfactory explinations for the mechanism of premunity nor for the factors which reduce that permunity and cause the typical lessions to appear. We know that; 1. Different strains, varying in virulence, exist. 2. Cross-immunity exists between virulent and avirulent strains. 3. A birth that has survived has been immunixed by exposure, reains it's immunity for over one year. 4. When immune birds are subjected to challenge by a virulent strain they can become carriers of the virulent strain and transmit it to other birds. I have gone into some detail above, so that the reader may understand why it is desirable that every racing bird is treated. Because premunity exisits in explosed, revovered birds, they can become carriers of a virulent strain. If at some stage, due to stress factors of racing or breeding, the premunity breaks down, these bird would be susceptible immediatly to the birulent strain, which they are carrying with them. At any time they are able to pass o this virulent strain to a non-immune loftmate, or to their own progeny. Trichomonisis is ubiquitous and i believe that breeding stock need not be kept sterile of the germ but be allowed to build up a mild trichomonad population. Continued carful monitoring and treatment at the first sign of the disease, allows youngsters to build some premunity before they are transfered to the main loft. In this race loft, particularly during the racing season, all birds must be streile of trichomonads as far as possible. Disgnosis. The obviously sick, acutely-affected youngster with yellow growths choking his throat, is parctically self-disgnostic. Confirmation of disease is obained by squashing a little of the inspissated pus from the edge of the lesion, mixing it with a few drops of water on a glass slide and microscopically demonstrating thousands of trichomonads. Internal forms of trichomoniasis can only be disgnosed on autospy. The subclinical form is easily demonstrated. A cotton bud is moistened and a throat and crop swab is taken. (if a cotton bud is too short to reach into thee crop, a home-made swab, made from a splintered tongue depressor and cotton wool, serves equally well.) With an assistant holding the pigeon, the examiner holds the bird's head, streches the neck and opened the mouth with one hand. With the other hand he introduces the cotton bud into the pigeons throat and down into the crop, where it it is movedup and down five or six times, in order to collect mucus. The cotton bud is now squeezed out over a glass slide and a drop of the liquid is examined under a microscope at medium (100 X) magnification. Once warmed by the microscope light source, the trichomonads appear mobile and jiggle together in small clumped groups, or if in single state, they move briskly in small haphazard circles or spin dizzily. It is essential that atleast 5-10% of the birds per loft are examined, because it not infrequently happens that 2 or 3 birds are negative with the fourth or fifth strongly poritive. Only one strongly positive bird out of the five examined, is needed to recommend treatment for the whole group. Re-examination, two weeks following treatment, is recommended. Differential Diagnosis. Canker must be distinguished from two other disease conditions: 1. Diphtheroid pox. Position. The yellow pox lessions in the mouth and throat may resemble crop canker but the lesions of pox, resulting when birds have fought, are usually more in the front, middle and side of the mouth. Canker is seen further back in the throat. Adhesiveness. Pox lesions are well attached to the underlying mucosa and have a good blood supply, bleeding profusely of forceibly removed, whereas canker growths are fairly loose and do not bleed much if removed. Other signs. The pigeon with distheroid poc, or its loftmates, will usually have other external pox lesions. Microscopical. The pigeon with pox may test negatively for the presence of trichomonads, the canker bird will always be positive. Be aware that some birds have both pox and canker. 2. Pigeon Herpes Virus. (PHV) Differentiation from canker may be difficult, especially where both conditions occur together. Pathogenicity. PHV is the more pathogenic condition. Affected bird are extremely dull and listless and appear to be sleepy, oblivious to their enviroment. Adhesiveness. PHV does not cause distinct lumps of pus, but tends to coat the mouth and throat with a purulent exudate which is non-adherent to the mucosa. Lessions of PHV emit a rotten stench. Response to treatment. Birds affected by PHV do not respond to treatment. Confirmation. Virus isolation is the only method of confirming an herpes virus outbreak. Finding intranulear inclustions in the liver is strongly suggestive. Treatment. Flock treatment Spin-offs from the pig and poultry industies gave us first 2-amino-5-nitrothiazole (Enheptin, Entramin, Tricoxine etc.), and later dimetridazole (Emtryl, Dovatric etc.). Metronidazole (Flagyl, Meditrich, Carnidazole (Spartix) and ronidazole (Ridsol S, Tricho-plus) are now added to the list and have wider spectrum of safety. Newer german-made progucts like Gamba-Metro are also safe and effective. Though most remedies are excellent and can be used with success, in all cases control checks must be done two weeks later to the test efficacy treatment. individual treatment. Valuable pigeons can be treated singly by first gently removing as many lesions from the mouth and throat as possible, after which a concentrated solution of dimtridazole (Emtryl) or 2% iodine solution is brushed onto the affected parts. Metronidazole, in pill form, may be given instead of the dimtridazole and antibiotic injection is always included to treat secondary ingections. It is debatable whether a pigeon that suffers clinically from trichomoniasis is worth keeping. Current thought is that it must be immunodeficient and that it could pass on its weak resistance to its offspring. Flock treatment by dosing each individual pigeon with a pill is safe and very effective. The method is often adopted for pigeons that are being prepared for a special race. Carnidazole (Spartrix), Dimetridazole (Dovatric), Metridazole (Flagyl, Meditrich), Gamba-tabs and Gambamix-Trio are just some of the excellent products avaliable. Early in 2003 a new formulation, reportedly excellent against trichomoniasis, was developed in Norway. According to reports, BERIMAX forte, a plant extract, was able to clear a pigeon of trichomonas germs within a short time. We await further trials and the release of a product that promises to be a good alternative treatment. Control. Control of the disease and prevention of acute outbreaks, must resolve around: 1. Regular treatment. 2. No breeding during high summer in hot moist climates. 3. Careful attention to hygeine - especially reguarding regular cleaning and disinfection pf water thrghs, clean fresh water and never allowing food to become soiled. 4. Careful surveillance of the number of pigeons kept per unit of loft space. Overpopulation, especially in summer, can lead to explosive outbreaks of the disease. (Maximum number is two pigeons per cubic metre.) WRITTEN (COPIED) BY BRUCE IDEA BY BLAZ UNCLE GARY C copped from the great book by dr wim peters FIT TO WIN

had a young man stayed just up the road a few years ago he had a bop. so i told him it go,s near my birds and i will ring its neck.week later seen having a go after my birds as i seen the Jessie's hanging from its legs.so i then told the local young team their was a case of beer bounty on it,s head.never seen it again and the guy moved.

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I will start this by saying A BIG THANKS VERY MUCH. on behalf of w pryde and son and myself .to all them that have donated birds also them that have sent donations to me. i would also like to THANK them that are buying birds from sale with their hard earned cash. after sale ends on Monday 8 pm the 5 min rule applies only to birds bidded on .example ( lot 70 bidded on at at 7.58 then that lot wont close till 5 mins after bid. i would like to ask all that end up with the top bid for which ever lot they are biding on if payment of CHECK OR POSTAL ORDER ONLY PAYED TO ( W PRYDE ) can be with me NO LATER than 10 days after sale 15TH OCT . if any bidders have a problem with this ie i get paid at end of month.please pm me. i also would like to THANK vallance for helping set sale up sale. also a BIG THANKS TO BRUNO 1 for adding lots and up dating lots and deleting posts at my request . I hope NO ONE has to go through what happened to W PRYDE AND SON . it is at times like this that make you relies when disaster strikes .that help is at hand not just from your club mates or your fed but from your fellow fanciers all over the country and that brings a to my face THANKS TO ALL YOURS IN SPORT BLAZ GARY CAIRNS

YES I DO I TRAIN SOME FOR A RACE IN DECEMBER THE XMUS RACE

yes i think your birds will fly as well if not better as their schooling has been done.racing pigeons need to learn as yb,s .this is just my view on them best of luck with them next year

your no that bad wee cunny

if any members that are on the list above that have not paid by Sunday as asked . i will remove any bid that has been put on the sale for w pryde and son . i really hope i dont have to . as for paul 10121968 it is really hard when your about to lose your job as their is not alot out their to replace it . them that know will i am sure understand best of luck paul

good i hope thy both enjoy it

nice lofts i see you still have the red pirate still breding the goods shame he lost his leg

yes get the birds tested .it could also be trichomoniasis (canker) upon examination the bird will usually have yellow cheesy growths in the throat, many stages of severity occur .we see one or two match head size lesions indicating a more resistant bird to one with large cheesy lumps . nearly filling the throat and mouth and hindering eating.

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i got a phone call last night from w pryde and son . thanking myself the breeders and buyers in the sale. he could not express his thanks enough . he was saying how defastated himself and young john where at the loss of their lofts baskets and their prize possessions their birds. then he he started to tell me how thankful him and his son are for the sale we are having.then we where talking about some of the good pigeons that got burnt alive. as you can expect emotions run high when disaster like this happens. then he told me how thankful him and his son are for the sale and how much it is going to help rebuild their lofts etc etc. we then talked about yesteryear and winning fed trophy,s namely the gold cup in midlothian fed. the name w pryde and son are on it more than ones.he then went on to say how thankful they both where at yes our sale.we then talked about how tame his birds where.then he went on to say how THANKFUL he and his son are at our sale to help them rebuild their loft and way of life . so if any of you did not pick up what has been said W PRYDE AND SON SAID THANKS VERY MUCH AND SO DO I keep it up Y.I.S blaz Gary c

I need some help from a mod that can put more birds on w pryde sale for me .as i dont know if vallance will be back on tonight thanks garyc blaz