i gave birds away in 2005 to a guy i know i had not spent a lot of money at all building my team up to produce these birds .he took them and said thanks he also said he was getting birds from jo bloggs he told me jo had spent thousands of£s buy these birds in . i told him to keep birds separate .just to see which is better . over 2 years later i got some of mine back of their own accord.when i asked which was the better he said mine. alot of my birds now and back then where from friends as gift birds.that is what made them that bit better .as i and no doubt you would not give crap birds to a mate.it also shows you dont need to spend lots of cash buying birds in.