Peter, after reading most of the opinions re L/Bs, I have bred some really good ones in years gone by. In 1980 I topped the Fed two weeks running, a 2y old at Cheltenham the at Avranches a 3 y old. Have a few since inc. the hen which was 2nd Sect. 6th open Alencon 3 years ago. she flew 150 miles as a ylg then Ypres as 2y old, went to Alencon following year the opposite side of the country and and scored. but I have always maintained that L/Bs are the backbone of the stock loft.I put a pair or two by of my performance birds every year and they would be mated to either yearlings from proven birds or as i prefer nowadays to older stock to preserve the vigour in the mating. Always look forward to reading other opinions on any thing re. pigeons helps to keep the old mind working reflecting ones own experiences, however you cannot compare racing nowadays compared to the past decades, its a different ball game now with all the BOP and perhaps a few modern environmental issues.