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Sale ends tonight,some on here. http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1256581500/s-new/#num61

http://www.pandtpoultry.co.uk/index.php Give them a ring they might be able to help you.In Ireland ,makes life easier.Sorry in Wales Lindsay

There's alad just sang,if he'd been in a pud he would have emptyed the spot.

Get rid of the lot of them and put a decent cowboy on.

If I'd known there was a show on today I would have had a look down,Egremonts about 10/12 mile down the road from me.Was it a good turn out ,at least the weather turned out good. Lindsay

Hi Vinnie,the same happened to a couple of lads that live in the village.Their parents passed away and they were moved into smaller houses,shame really one lad had lived in the same house for 20 + years .Good luck to your mate ,hope all turns out well for him. Lindsay.

Divorced 1983.

You've used your own for long enough why change now.

If I can ???????

Are you still trying to beat it,just won't admit it. Lindsay

Have they been raced.

I would go as far to say that most birds won't even be on their last flight yet,any tme i've judged I never bothered about the flights, especially young birds that have been on darkness. Lindsay

Like the two reds mate ,have they raced for you. Lindsay.

Not a bad site to browse away a hour or so. Lindsay. http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/Page1.html

That's what I use most times and odd times malt vinegar.

Most i've got's 65,the first couple of goes 47 and 48.What's your score. Lindsay http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g2/applegame.htm

They Must Be Kept Clean First and foremost your birds must be kept clean. Scrape the loft at least once per day and if you can, twice. The loft must be dry. It must be free of vermin, all vermin. If you can smell mice, you have already lost! The loft should house less birds, never more. The loft should be adequately ventilated. The water should be changed ever day. Feed should never be present after the birds have eaten. Adequate quantities of minerals, grit, oyster shell, salt, etc. should always be present. Stop Exchanging Birds Health cannot be achieved if you are constantly exchanging pigeons with all and sundry. Once you have a colony of birds, work with them and avoid the temptation of always bringing in other birds. The constant exchange of birds is a sure-fire way to insure disaster. Remember that everyone thinks their birds and management are excellent, but the reality is that they have not got a clue. In most cases, the greater the pomposity, the less the ability. Actually, in most cases it’s an inverse proportion! Bio-security is a Must! Keep visitors out of you lofts. Who knows where they have been and what they will expose your birds to? As simple as these concepts are, they are in fact the key to any bio-security system. It really is hilarious to imagine that the average chicken farmer (either layer or grower) goes to a greater extent to protect his flock from contamination than most racing pigeon fanciers do! Pretty easy concepts, don’t you think? Keep them clean, keep them fed and watered, keep them free of contaminates, do not trade birds, keep your colony isolated as much as possible, keep visitors out of your lofts. You are 90% of the way to success. Drug Versus Antibiotic Oh, let’s not forget that we should also understand the difference between a drug and an antibiotic. Yes, yes, I can already hear the smart remarks. Well, an antibiotic is by most considered a drug, but a drug is not necessarily an antibiotic! An antibiotic works by suppressing the immune system, a drug per se does not affect the immune system at all. So you see there is a real difference. There are hundreds of fanciers misusing antibiotics like Baytril. They attempt to use this 3rd generation antibiotic as a performance enhancer. That is, you use the product, it suppresses the immune system, then as the birds come off it there is a slingshot effect as the immune system seems to go beyond the norm, and bingo, super health. Or is it? No, actually a sure-fire ticket to disaster! Do not use these mega antibiotics unless you have done adequate testing with your avian vet! In most cases less extreme older antibiotics will more than serve your pigeons’ health needs. Keep Canker and Cocci Under Control Generally speaking, you need to keep canker and cocci under control. You will find that by treating your birds every 6-8 weeks throughout the year (you need not worry if the parents are pumping youngsters as it will in no way harm them), neither of these two conditions will ever be of concern again. Ridzol will take care of the canker and Amperol will more than suffice for cocci. These two products can be safely used together. The dosage is 1/2 teaspoon of Ridzol plus 12.55 cc of Amperol per gallon of water. You would use these together for 3-5 days depending on the original count. Remember that both of these organisms are always present in the pigeon. The point is not to eradicate but only to keep at a manageable level that does not adversely effect performance. Remember neither of these drugs are antibiotics. Internal and external parasites can easily be controlled with Ivomec. Three drops down the throat and no more problems with either. Sixty days prior to races you can treat the entire race team with Amoxicillin capsules, dosage 5-8 500 mg capsules per gallon of water for a full ten days. The change in the birds is exceptional. This is an especially good idea if you are handling a large number of out-of-area birds for some race or another. Yes, this is the same antibiotic that your children often take. If the need arises, Vetisulid can be used to treat for E. coli. The dosage is 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of water for 3-5 days. 2/3-3/4 teaspoons for 7-10 days also eliminates cocci. Often an elevated E. coli count will certainly mean reduced performance from your birds. Once Races Begin You will find that once the races begin that most really competent flyers treat their birds every week during the races. They treat on a 3-4 week rotational basis as follows. Week One Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday after the race treat for canker and cocci. Week Two After the race treat Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday for E. coli. Week Three After the race Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday treat for respiratory. As regards respiratory you can use Doxin-WO or any combination of Doxycycline plus. You can use Doxycycline at the dosage of 1500 mg per gallon and Tylan at a dosage of 3000 mg per gallon. Next Race Begin again as in week one. You will continue this program for the 8-10 weeks of both your old and young bird programs. There are a thousand other things that you can do including the use of DMG 2000, Carniplex,, Red Cell, wheat grass, citric acid, etc. 365 Days of the Year! The reality is if you can keep canker and cocci under control 365 days per year. Keep the birds clean and dry and treat as directed during the races, and you will improve considerably your performance (regardless of the quality or lack of same) of your birds. Give it a try. You will notice the difference immediately. Just picked this up off an Australian site,wht's your opinion ? Lindsay.

I use it regular,great disinfectant. Lindsay. Grapefruit Seed Extract has proved to be effective in combating hundreds of pathogens that affect birds, including parasites, bacteria, viruses, and fungi. This inexpensive substance is used by aviculturists, pet bird owners, and veterinarians. It is a safe, natural disinfectant and cleaner that can be used to prevent mould growth on home-grown sprouts as well as to clean cages, aviaries, and homes. Surprisingly, this powerful product is made from grapefruit seeds. The antimicrobial properties of the extract of grapefruit seeds and pulp were discovered in 1972 by Jacob Harish, a physicist and immunologist, as a result of his curiosity about the bitterness of grapefruit seeds. At the University of Georgia, tests were conducted to evaluate Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) as a disinfectant in tests against E. Coli, Salmonella sps, and Staph aureus. According to Roger Wyatt, Ph.D., and Microbiologist for the university, "Our studies indicate excellent potential for these products (GSE). ...The toxicology reports that I reviewed indicated that this product poses very low toxicity risk, which is important because most disinfectants currently used in either animal or human environments have moderate to high toxicity ratings and care must be exercised when these products are used... In view of the reports that we have discussed, the wide spectrum of activity that GSE offers (antiviral, antibacterial; Gram positive and Gram negative, antimycotic, and antiprotozoan) will undoubtedly aid in its acceptability.†Some physicians have found that GSE is as effective against candida, a yeast infection, as Nystatin or other antifungal preparations. It is also effective against protozoans such as giardia or entamoeba histolytica. Researcher Dr. Leo Galland wrote that it is more effective than prescription medicines such as metronidazole against these protozoal parasites. As a germicide, GSE has multiple uses and it is non-toxic and non-irritating when diluted as directed.Bio Research Laboratories of Redmond, Washington, USA, tested GSE, a commercial chlorine bleach, and colloidal silver against Candida albicans, Staphylococcus aureus, Salmonella typhi, Streptococcus faecium, and E. coli. The test report concluded that GSE proved superior."All micro organisms tested were inhibited with moderate levels of GSE liquid disinfectant. High levels of chlorine bleach inhibited the test organisms, but moderate levels were not effective. Because the GSE liquid was inhibitory at much lower levels, it may be assumed that it is ten to one hundred times more effective than chlorine against the organisms used in this study. On average, GSE proved to be ten times more effective than the colloidal silver."GSE is compatible with most antibiotics and the manufacturers state that it does not produce the negative side effects associated with antibiotic use. Proponents of GSE claim that it does not attack normal gastrointestinal bacteria as antibiotics do, which has proven to be true in my aviary. A probiotic can be given after treating giardia with therapeutic dosages of GSE. Even if it isn't unnecessary, it will do no harm. GSE rarely if ever causes allergic or toxic reactions. Aspirin is said to be 25 times more toxic than GSE.According to The Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, Volume 5, No. 3, USA, 1990, an international research team examined the effect of GSE on 770 strains of bacteria and 93 strains of fungus and compared this with 30 effective antibiotics and 18 proven fungicides. GSE was found to perform as well as any and all of the tested agents. GSE USES AND DILUTION RECOMMENDATIONS • To disinfect surfaces in the aviary and nursery such as brooders, incubators, cages, perches, and carriers, make an all purpose cleaner by adding 30 to 60 drops of GSE to a 32-ounce pump spray bottle filled with water. Mix well and spray. • To disinfect wood surfaces, apply a few drops of GSE to the cleaned wood while still wet. Let stand for half an hour. • To clean formula from baby parrots' faces and feathers after syringe feedings, add a few drops of GSE to a bowl of warm water to wet the cleaning cloth. It kills bacteria and gets the skin and feathers squeaky clean. • To sterilize syringes, pipettes, spoons, and other hand feeding utensils, make a solution of 15 to 30 drops of GSE per pint of water. Soak between feedings. • To make your own antibacterial soap for the nursery and kitchen, add ten to fifteen drops of GSE to an eight-ounce pump dispenser of hand soap. • To make a disinfectant soak for produce, add 10 to15 drops of GSE per gallon of water and submerge the fruits and vegetables for 15 to 30 seconds. • To make a disinfectant spray for produce, add 20 or more drops to a quart spray bottle and spray on fruits and vegetables. • To prevent the growth of algae and mould in incubators and humidifiers, add three or four drops of GSE per gallon to the water reservoir. • To clean and disinfect cutting boards, apply 10 to 20 drops of GSE to the cutting board. Rub it into the board with a wet sponge or cloth. Leave the GSE on for at least 30 minutes and rinse. • To purify water, add 10 drops of GSE per gallon of water and stir vigorously. It is more effective than iodine. • To treat skin fungi, parasites, or bacterial diseases of the skin of birds and other pets, mix 30 to 50 drops of GSE per quart of water and spray on the infected area. • To boost the cleaning power of dishwasher detergent for bird dishes, add 15 to 30 drops of GSE to the dishwasher along with detergent. • To disinfect towels and cloths used for baby parrots, add 30 to 50 drops to the wash cycle, or add 10 to 15 drops of GSE to the final rinse to ensure that the laundry is fungi and bacteria free. To disinfect carpet in bird rooms, add 10 to 15 drops of GSE per gallon of water to the reservoir of the carpet cleaning machine. During hot weather in outdoor aviaries, pathogens grow quickly in drinking water once organic matter has been introduced by food-covered beaks or food dunking. To prevent bacterial infections, I use one drop of GSE per large cup of drinking water when I must be away from home and cannot change the water when needed. I credit this practice with helping to prevent illness and I have never had any indication that it adversely affects my birds' health. Water bottles also can be contaminated by dirty beaks or food stuffed into the opening of the drinking tube. I prefer to use a food based preventive substance than chlorine or other harsh disinfectants. Otherwise, I follow the advice of veterinarians and other avian experts who recommend that parrots be provided pure, clean drinking water without additives such as vitamin products, medication, or disinfectants. Any substance that changes the taste of water can discourage birds from drinking. This can cause dehydration which is a life threatening condition so it's a good idea to give birds extra fruits, vegetables, and melons in hot weather for their high moisture content.I don't sell Grapefruit Seed Extract or profit from its sale in any way, but I definitely am sold on GSE for bird keeping.Citricidal® liquid concentrate is triple the potency of NutriBiotic® GSE liquid. For online information about GSE or Citricidal, visit www.nutriteam.com or other web sites that can be found with an Internet search.

Hi Tony,when I gave them the number of the clock they told me the date it was manufactured the date it was sold and when it would require a service,which I presume, new battery /clean etc. Lindsay.

Linnell are good over the phone ,when I bought my T3 (used) I phoned them to check on how old it was and if it had been in for any faults,gave me all the info there and then.Always best to check with a second hand clock. http://www.linell.co.uk/ Lindsay

Congrats to you and your partner,bet your both over the moon,my eldest lass was born on my 21st birthday,what a day that was, pity the wife missed it,or some of it. Lindsay

Same boat here Stan,smashed my back up some 30 odd years ago,3 month in hospital ,had a real crap time.Still get problems ,can be ok when I go to the loft,click, takes me half a hour to do 20 yards back to the house and thats it for a week. I agree with pigeon-mans post,it's a hard one to make and only you truly know the answer,health comes first,If you family can help that's a great thing.Good luck whatever mate. Lindsay PS. I don't know what medication you take but the only thing that sorts me is Athrotec-75.

Hi Paul just had a pm from the lad I was talikng about,see below. "Hiya mate, if memory serves me correctly i think he charged about £3 per bird for crop and vent swabs, the results he gives you there and then. I left droppings with him and he asks you to ring him a few days later and i think he charged about £2 per bird. For 6 YBs he charged me in total about £25 i think, which was so reasonable I gave him £30, which is why I cant remember the exact charges. any problems give me a ring ." The only thing I've removed is his name and tel.number. Lindsay

Good luck to both of you on the road and hope all goes well in hospital. Lindsay C

Another visit to the local filling station this mo. and wo and behold up another penny.Diesel in this area is now £1.09.9 what a shambles this country is in,how do they expect bussinesses to run .Fuel up everything up.No wonder the theives are having a field day. http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/diesel_thefts_on_rise_as_fuel_price_goes_up_1_629174?referrerPath=news Lindsay